Why “Us Against Them” Politics Is More Dangerous Than ISIS | Sebastian Junger


I think everything we do is a form of tribalism.
We’re evolved for that. We’re wired for that. The question is how big do we want our
tribe to be? England seems to be saying we want our tribe and at our choice. All right
so that’s a point of view I understand. So it’s a legitimate point of view. Equally
legitimate is the opposite point of view where there should be a broader pan European tribe
as it were to protect itself and reinforce itself in a dangerous world. That’s also
tribalism. It’s just a matter of how big you draw the tribe. At its essence, at its
core every individual has to decide whether they’re an individual or are they part of
a larger group. Are they part of their neighborhood and are they part of their community. Or do
they just exist to serve themselves. What England is facing is something that every
single human being in the world faces at some level in their lives about their own personal
interests versus the interests of their group. Personally I think that democracy is a messy
experiment and there’s a lot of discourse, a lot of conflict, a lot of argument, a lot
of debate and a lot of dislike. I mean we’re not required to like each other. I think about
the platoon that I was with in combat, the most stressful environment conceivable. There
was a log of dislike within the platoon. There were guys who didn’t like each other at
all. But the one thing they never did was speak with contempt about one another. They
argued, they fought, they disagreed but they respected each other. And you don’t disrespect
someone inside the wire as it were. What’s disturbing right now in this country is that
there are very, very powerful people – politicians and media leaders who are disrespecting other
people inside the wire. They are speaking with real contempt and derision about their
president, about aspects of the government, about segments of the population. You just
don’t do that. You never know when you’ll need those people for survival, when your
life will depend on those people or you’ll be asked to save their lives. You just don’t
know. And the idea that this country can’t overnight
be turned into a combat, you know either this country can’t overnight be turned into one
huge combat outpost is absurd. We just don’t know what’s going to happen. And so when
you have politicians speaking like that it’s not just the messy debate of democracy. It
really undermines the basis of our country, the moral basis of our democracy. It’s much
more dangerous to our democracy than Isis is or Al-Qaeda is. It also is a good campaign
strategy and that’s the tragedy, right. I mean you have politicians who appeal to
a kind of tribalism by saying look, it’s us against them and the them are actually
other citizens in this country. When you do that you create very, very strong support
in your base but it’s the long term consequence that you’re talking about the country as
if it’s being split in two. It’s a little like marriage counselors advise, you know,
just don’t say the word divorce within your conversations as a couple. That the idea of
splitting up is not acceptable and what I would say personally as a citizen to politicians
is stop talking about this country as if it’s conceivable that it’s actually two countries.
Just don’t do it because you’re starting a very, very dangerous dialogue and you don’t
know where it’s going to end. Well this country is an example of a modern
country that has overcome its internal divisions and has existed for over 240 years as a nation.
And I mean we’ve had a lot of rocky times and unfair laws and everything else but we’re
a nation of 330 million people and we’re still together. The democracies of Europe
likewise. I mean it’s not pretty but neither is family life. I mean no one guaranteed you
pretty. Do you know what I mean. But it is working and it’s a continual work in progress.
What we all have to do I believe is keep reminding each other of our best qualities. An interesting
thing about humans is that the worse the situation, the better we act. When you have the flood,
the hurricane, the civil war, the blitz in London, whatever it may be, that’s when
people will really step up and achieve a kind of loyalty to the common good. A kind of selflessness,
kind of blindness to race and politics and religion and everything else that can divide
us. And as things get better, as circumstances get better and easier people start to act
worse. And I think it’s very, very helpful to remind your fellow citizens and remind
yourself that in our very darkest days we all act quite well and that’s what we should
aspire to throughout the course of our lives and throughout the course of our democracy.

Author Since: Mar 11, 2019

  1. The problem as I see it is that there really is not an efficient defense that can be used to address some of the concerns that modern day environment has and humans often result into extremes rather than having no response at all because ultimately we seek security over insecurity.

    If there was an efficient defense to address the concerns, I doubt there would be any significant rise to nationalism, but until there is some form of proper solution, we should expect tribalism to increase. Fear is a powerful emotion, it is among the most powerful out there; do not underestimate its power over us.

  2. while I agree, the problem is this only works if everyone is on the same page. And a look at this country can't leave one with an intelligent doubt that we aren't. take the black lives matter group for instance. news flash, all lives matter. they spin these famous incidents such as trayvon Martin and Mike Brown like these were innocent children being targeted for the color of their skin, while the only eye witness to the Martin shooting confirms Zimmerman's statements that trayvon was on top of beating his head against the sidewalk. Mike Brown had just robbed a convenience store and was in the process of trying to take an officer's gun when he was shot. their lives matter, but not more than the victims of violent crimes they commit. And im not saying it's only blacks that commit crime, but there's certainly no outcry when a white person gets shot to death while attempting homicide. about the comment of them being a terrorist group and the person asking whom they had killed, Dallas and baton rouge, both meet the definition of terrorism set down by the Hague, therefore yes, the death of those police officers, by members of the movement, do constitute terrorist acts and I've yet to see any of the leadership of the group denouncing them.

    then there's the problem of criticism and lack of respect. During the Clinton administration, despite many disagreements and more than one scandal, I still had respect for him and his administration. The Obama administration however is a different story. We're being fed this line about America having a gun problem, which the statistics show is a load of crap unless youre planning on committing suicide or live in a disarmed area you're threat of being shot while not in the commission of a crime is less that .0001%. No, we don't have a gun problem and the right to possess and carry them, yes, including all modern weapons such as automatic rifles, is as fundamental and guarenteed as the right to vote or the right to free speech. we're told by this administration that because voting is a right you shouldnt even have to present id and be registered (and this is after people boasted about voter fraud by voting for Obama in multiple jurisdictions)…but we continue to pass more restrictive weapons laws? And this after a 1976 DC appellate court decision that the police are not responsible for the safety of any person individually. Until the administration stops its dividing, trying to establish one color of American or one right as more important than another, I'm going to criticize and disrespect all day long. because you're right….tighter tribalism is dangerous, and that's exactly what our current administration is trying to create.

  3. while I agree, the problem is this only works if everyone is on the same page. And a look at this country can't leave one with an intelligent doubt that we aren't. take the black lives matter group for instance. news flash, all lives matter. they spin these famous incidents such as trayvon Martin and Mike Brown like these were innocent children being targeted for the color of their skin, while the only eye witness to the Martin shooting confirms Zimmerman's statements that trayvon was on top of beating his head against the sidewalk. Mike Brown had just robbed a convenience store and was in the process of trying to take an officer's gun when he was shot. their lives matter, but not more than the victims of violent crimes they commit. And im not saying it's only blacks that commit crime, but there's certainly no outcry when a white person gets shot to death while attempting homicide. about the comment of them being a terrorist group and the person asking whom they had killed, Dallas and baton rouge, both meet the definition of terrorism set down by the Hague, therefore yes, the death of those police officers, by members of the movement, do constitute terrorist acts and I've yet to see any of the leadership of the group denouncing them.

    then there's the problem of criticism and lack of respect. During the Clinton administration, despite many disagreements and more than one scandal, I still had respect for him and his administration. The Obama administration however is a different story. We're being fed this line about America having a gun problem, which the statistics show is a load of crap unless youre planning on committing suicide or live in a disarmed area you're threat of being shot while not in the commission of a crime is less that .0001%. No, we don't have a gun problem and the right to possess and carry them, yes, including all modern weapons such as automatic rifles, is as fundamental and guarenteed as the right to vote or the right to free speech. we're told by this administration that because voting is a right you shouldnt even have to present id and be registered (and this is after people boasted about voter fraud by voting for Obama in multiple jurisdictions)…but we continue to pass more restrictive weapons laws? And this after a 1976 DC appellate court decision that the police are not responsible for the safety of any person individually. Until the administration stops its dividing, trying to establish one color of American or one right as more important than another, I'm going to criticize and disrespect all day long. because you're right….tighter tribalism is dangerous, and that's exactly what our current administration is trying to create.

  4. while I agree, the problem is this only works if everyone is on the same page. And a look at this country can't leave one with an intelligent doubt that we aren't. take the black lives matter group for instance. news flash, all lives matter. they spin these famous incidents such as trayvon Martin and Mike Brown like these were innocent children being targeted for the color of their skin, while the only eye witness to the Martin shooting confirms Zimmerman's statements that trayvon was on top of beating his head against the sidewalk. Mike Brown had just robbed a convenience store and was in the process of trying to take an officer's gun when he was shot. their lives matter, but not more than the victims of violent crimes they commit. And im not saying it's only blacks that commit crime, but there's certainly no outcry when a white person gets shot to death while attempting homicide. about the comment of them being a terrorist group and the person asking whom they had killed, Dallas and baton rouge, both meet the definition of terrorism set down by the Hague, therefore yes, the death of those police officers, by members of the movement, do constitute terrorist acts and I've yet to see any of the leadership of the group denouncing them.

    then there's the problem of criticism and lack of respect. During the Clinton administration, despite many disagreements and more than one scandal, I still had respect for him and his administration. The Obama administration however is a different story. We're being fed this line about America having a gun problem, which the statistics show is a load of crap unless youre planning on committing suicide or live in a disarmed area you're threat of being shot while not in the commission of a crime is less that .0001%. No, we don't have a gun problem and the right to possess and carry them, yes, including all modern weapons such as automatic rifles, is as fundamental and guarenteed as the right to vote or the right to free speech. we're told by this administration that because voting is a right you shouldnt even have to present id and be registered (and this is after people boasted about voter fraud by voting for Obama in multiple jurisdictions)…but we continue to pass more restrictive weapons laws? And this after a 1976 DC appellate court decision that the police are not responsible for the safety of any person individually. Until the administration stops its dividing, trying to establish one color of American or one right as more important than another, I'm going to criticize and disrespect all day long. because you're right….tighter tribalism is dangerous, and that's exactly what our current administration is trying to create.

  5. Huh, a poignant and well spoken case about the dangers of contemptuous division brings out people saying libtard…Glad I'm a liberal then.

  6. He did not say anything about the rich tribe vs the poor tribe. Maybe if we could just have 3 rich people and the rest of us living in factories building I phones with suicide nets under the windows?

  7. we don't draw the tribe, isis is drawing the tribe, everyone who is not on their side is gonna die if they can help it.

  8. An asteroid could do it in the short term same as a disease. what about after the disasters are over? we will just fall back into our usual squabbles, We don't know anything else. Human beings would need a shock that lasted A very long time, on the would force us to shed our old dogmas and form an entirely new organization. This disaster would also have to be long enough for us to adapt to this new orginization. eventually the old ways seem like childhood squabbles on the playground and we will finally see our foolishness for what it was.

  9. It's incredibly reductive to summarize Brexit as "where the tribe ends", even considering speaker's disregard for democracy. What's the point of using a lens that obscures all the premise to the referendum? It doesn't seem to tie into anything following.

  10. I agree with most of what this guy says, what he is ignoring is the invasion of neoliberalism in this country. I don't mean this to further separate us but to be honest.

    neo liberalism takes all of the better parts of our human selves and turns it into profit for themselves. we can come together when the things that separate us have been turned into big business. to say this differently, neoliberalism undermines democracy and collectivism by turning connectedness into a pay to play sport. they have made our economy one which exists on separation ie private prisons which help keep laws in place which don't serve the common good just profits.

    we need to get neoliberalism out of our country if we hope to end the divide that he speaks about in the country

  11. Tribalism is very dangerous, and its also very persuasive and can be used to garner even more supporters who where on the fence so to speak, we see it often used by almost all strong groups, be it religion or corporations or an ideal. We can just look back at nazi germany, or stalins russia. It was all us against them, we against the evil, and it is attractive to us, we see faults and problems wherever we look. For example "its us against the muslims" this is a dangerous mindset. Which also reinforces our tribalism. Yes we have to fight the terrorists because they are a threat to the population of our free countries but we must not set a divide between us as individuals. So the only way to go forward here that i can see is to have respectful conversations about terrorism, we try to be respectful yet question.

  12. Poll: who do you think will win the General Election, and how many Electoral College votes will the winner get? http://www.strawpoll.me/10802489

  13. I can see his point about the basis for our democracy having been undermined, and I largely agree with that point, but I think the erosion has various facets. While it's true that the traditional, Euro-centric cultural outlook has led to various injustices and inequalities, it also served as a cohesive axis around which our greater culture was oriented. Attempts to 'right' those shortcomings have often left that portion of the populace feeling marginalized or otherwise victimized, and that is what is largely contributing to the backlash that we are now seeing in so many areas. That, and the undeniable fact that the progressive commitment to diversity has not shown all the advantages advertised, but has had many downsides, has been enough to repulse many who'd previously been open to the concept…forget about 'pretty' (as the speaker brought up), but ALL sides could inject far less ugliness, especially when demanding respect for themselves…

  14. The potential, and ability, for people to speak disrespectfully of their country and their elected "leaders" is a fundamental privilege of citizenship. I protect that privilege everyday by my service and a country that is not free to speak it's deranged and sometimes hurtful opinions is not a free country. "Political correctness" has undermined the fundamental privileges of our democratic experiment by suggesting that anyone who disagrees with your own baseline of reality is somehow abnormal, "disrespectful", or bad. I do not personally agree with most ideas I hear regarding most things, but damned if I don't fight for and respect your right to say them

  15. England wants closed boarders???? WTF England has had open boarders for decades? I walked around a part of London for a hour and did see one white person!!!

  16. Well said. I am a large subscriber to the individualistic philosophy, but I also recognize the benefit of respecting people, and debate not on a personal level, but a policy level. Once we start making politics about hating a group, we tend to fall into a trap of the groups hating each other.

    A great example is transgender politics, as a community, transgender people have been made an enemy by one of our major political parties. This creates an easy scapegoat, but also gets these people, and the supporters of these people, angry at the other side. They fight and fight and it escalates to no end. There is no respect involved. I am transgender, but I disapprove of how both sides go about the debate.

  17. I'm surprised he didn't bring up the political parties.  This nation is EXTREMELY tribal when it comes to party lines.

  18. criticism of the powerful is essential, no matter who they are or what group they are in. your idea is censorship of the minority opinion, and that leads to totalitarianism. Turkey, the nation not the delicious flightless bird.

  19. So in liberal world , internal enemies can never exist , nor a President worthy of disrespect . I think that's the kind of thinking ISISS would love actually

  20. To me, this sounds a little too much like "Go along to get along" – "Don't question authority" – & "You must invite every kid in the class to your birthday party, even the ones you don't agree with and do not like to interact with." It's just a little tooooooooo…. Socialist?

  21. This guy is an idiot. It's not about all being one big happy leftist liberal hippie tribe. It's about a dangerous culture taking over the very same fucking values that allowed him to be a part of this video. It's about letting in a tribe who wants the rest of your tribe dead. Its about have no security at all when it comes to groups like Isis just walking over the border.  Honestly, this dick head has no clue about the nuance involved in the migrant crisis.   So many morons like this commenting and speculating when they lack the intellectual power to wrap their head around it.     This is the extent of his calculations: Are we all one big happy group pretending there is nothing wrong with the world because war is bad and pot is good?  Nope? Well England is evil.

  22. Would you be saying the same don't insult our president thing, if Trump was our president?

    Just saying, a huge part of democracy is the ability to speak freely. You see not to like it when people speak freely against our government.

  23. Tribe was a brilliant, enlightening, and poignant read for me – much like this short video which carries several of the major themes of the book. Arguably, these are some of the most important messages for human beings – and especially contentious and psychologically broken Americans – to hear today.

  24. It only seems civilized to me that anyone and everyone should always feel able, and free, to speak up against corruption or anyone in the world who is in the position to influence many others, but isnt thinking in the interest of the masses.
    But at the same time, if the person speaking up is literally just doing it as a political power play to bring into question the credibility of fellow politicians, well than thats just as corrupt as it can get, and I couldmt agree more that they are only weakening their own government in general by doing so
    I just do feel its worth noting that speaking against someone 'within the wire' shouldnt be viewed as simply WRONG, if the person in question is, in fact, acting corruptly or in some way acting against the interests of group as a whole

  25. Yea cuz people throwing around negative terms against their ideological opponents is totally worse than people who murder in the name of their ideology. I mean, do you even fucking hear yourselves?

  26. Good guest BigThink. This guy is talking about some high level concepts rather than the one sided agenda pushing that a lot of guests are about.

  27. i dont think the human race will ever truly unite as one until we face a threat that no 1 country can even hope to solve it

  28. Only thing that has kept us alive against oh so many dangers has been 'us against them' during evolutionary history. In long term though, we need to unite as one.

  29. To pretend we can be a large collective with removing individuality is a huge problem with this. We live in between, individuals who act collectively. We should not, however, be given up to the collective, doing so is a tyranny that leads to degrading the individual. If we go down that road non-conformist will always be persecuted.

  30. Bullshit. That's like saying Us vs Them was more dangerous than the Nazis. ISIS is Us vs Them exemplified.

  31. I agree w/him, but the way the Democrats want to just accept everyone inside the wire just doesn't make sense. They want to reward foreigners w/benefits, and shit on tax paying citizens by raising taxes. Time for a change…

  32. I see people here arguing with his point and all I can say is, come to Africa. See for yourself the effects of tribalism. "Disrespecting people within the wire". All problems in Africa are as a result of tribalism. Internal divisions lead to corruption, poor electoral choices and poverty.

  33. You seem to be holding up military camaraderie as an example of how people with differences can work together for a common cause. But if you continue the military comparison- the reason you work together IS the common cause- to fight against a common enemy. That is what this divisive politics is also doing. In terms of brexit- the new enemy is Brussels and its implementation of unilateral rule. In the modern liberal age people are struggling to find common ground not only with their countrymen but with their own neighbours. They want to stop making concessions and try to hold on to what they interpret as their own national identity.

  34. So true……and a lot of younger western people dont realize how good they have it. They dont realize that in most areas of society we are doing a lot better than we did 50 years a go, 100 years ago.

  35. We have been engaged in a 12 century war against Islam. They started it and have no interest in stoping until the world is ruled by a global caliphate. It doesn't matter how much we try to accept them.

  36. Disrespecting political opponents is not a new phenomenon. That's politics as usual unfortunately. Think about the Jefferson/Adams elections, they were vicious.

  37. Look at India and Pakistan. One can argue that the region has shared history and shared ancient civilizations but after the partition in 1947 it's always us vs them. The moment the Indian government and people starts being pacifist like how this video mentions it should be ideally; the Pak govt then sends terrorists into the country, India retaliates, people from both countries lose their lives and we go back to the status quo. The only practical option is to become an offensive nationalist and use that offensive nationalism as a defense against Pakistan; which is what the current Indian govt is doing. Pacifism is ideal but offensive nationalism is the only proven deterrent which ensures you don't suffer. The Pak govt is run by the military and the Islamic clerics which are ideologically paranoid and insecure about its county's existence. They will justify their paranoia through continuing violence no matter what. Pacifism doesn't help. It only makes you weak.

  38. Differences lie within culture, culture is a product of interpretation of your surroundings… we all live within the same pretext, interpret things differently… its pretty absurd if you think about it

  39. This guy doesn't understand the details. He clearly doesn't understand that printing money is not a "loan", since in order to borrow something that belongs to someone else, it must first BELONG TO SOMEONE ELSE. The banks "loan" (print, or create electronically) money (representative of resources) that they did not have, and did not earn, therefore assigning debt to people at no risk to themselves in order to create an inextinguishable debt as an excuse to always make demands of a countries government. You are not ruled by the political system, you are ruled by the economic system. Seriously guy, please read some books. You can start with "The Creature from Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffin. Then maybe you might have enough info to start forming a valid opinion as to why people shouldn't be enslaved to the world central banking cartel.

  40. If you can't interact with every member of a given group on a daily basis, they are not your tribe.

  41. Mr Junger clearly naive to the differences between different cultures. Brits are incredibly different to Czechs and Spaniards. However, compared to people from the Orient or the Middle east, we would be like bonobos next to capuchins, like hippos next to rhinos. The politicians' assumptions that we are all homogenous is what has caused there to be 4 terrorist attacks in Europe in the past 2 weeks. Think about that Mr Junger.

  42. All sounds nice….and totally ignores the fact that there are many in western countries/societies that are committed to destroying it. Add to this a traitor for a president who is a out and out race baiter who is importing into the country masses more of those who do seek to destroy it and actively promoting those of that group alrady in the U.S. and you have a real problem.

  43. This Exactly what my country(India) doesn't understands. We had 30 years of this divisive politics and we are exhausted of it.

  44. What Junger confuses about "England facing its own personal interest versus the interest of their group" is that it is the most blatant example of longitudinal self interest where elder Brits literally agreed to sell out their children and grandchildren for another decade or two of possible comfort. It isn't remotely a British concept as demonstrated by Senator Inhofe (R) who essentially denies the phenomenon that will at the minimum devastate his grandchildren and yet still claims a moral high grand for having 'family values'. At the highest level consider Paul Ryan's budget plan where essentially he says "if you are over 45 then there is no real reason for you to suffer the implications of Americas debt but for those of us who are younger it will be a different world" all the while ignoring the reality that the very people he is protecting from the ramifications of the debt were the very people who created and benefited from it.

    Politics or elitism?

    American platoons were not always so perfect. During the Vietnam war many officers were assassinated by their platoons for being incompetent. Was the Vietnam war any less meaningful than Iraq or Afghanistan or is it more likely that the model of the platoon was dramatically altered after Vietnam such that everyone top down had a vested interest in the survival of the fellow soldier? How does one realistically template that context onto the general population?

    I am not sure I can see how you can move that model from the military to general population.

  45. With that said, should we look to keeping bad situations coming so that we can be at our best as a species? Not following this logic. Can't we maybe look to changing the belief that humans will always be tribal and that there can never be a world without some sort of us versus them mentality?

  46. we need to start changing things by limiting terms for senators. what set america apart from the world was that we voted for a new leader every 4 years , everywhere else was under a dictator of some sort, monarchies included. career politicians need to go. make it like it was in the early days when state reps would go to the capital and have their sessions and then they went back home to their normal jobs/work. the problem is how is a bill like that gonna pass when they are the ones voting on it?

  47. don't you guys get it? the whole point of this talk is that we, as a species, do have underlying instincts like tribalism that can be good or bad in certain situations. What makes us different, and what we should always keep in mind, is that we can chose to act on those instincts in a rational way or not. He's saying that we should not be so divisive, and we should try to work together to fix these problems. Or at least not degrade the other side so much that they can seem subhuman and barbaric in certain people's eyes. Because that leads to tragedy, almost all the time. We all have the capacity, we just need not let it be overcome by our base emotions and instincts.

  48. The irony is that I suspect this guy engages in all kinds of tribalism without recognizing it as such while at the same time warning about the dangers of tribalism.

  49. The contempt and purposeful divide and conquer techniques that the rich elite have poured down upon the masses is the fuel for the fire that is currently picking up strength and speed. We are not one people, one tribe. Some tribes want it all. Their greed will be their downfall.

  50. Bad people are the loud. Good people are quiet. That is why when there is a disaster you don't ear from any bad people. Because good people remember who help them and who actually needs their help. And bad people get what they deserve…

  51. Modern day Caveman, every one of us. It's written in our DNA to be the most violent, destructive, & expansive creatures in the planet.

  52. really good video, very importent to have that cleared up in my mind. Thank you so much for video's like this.

  53. The platoon analogy is flawed. If the platoon leader repeated put the platoon members at risk, and allowed some members to die through incompetence then the platoon, i.e. tribe would take steps to remove that leader. Respect is earned, not granted. Mr. Junger is taking a very simplistic view of a very complicated topic. In the wild the strongest members rise to leadership through performance. In our society, leaders rise through subterfuge not performance. Big difference when one is talking about respect within the tribal unit.

  54. [realizes he's implicitly criticizing Trump] [checks "like" bar] [sees that there aren't a million dislikes] [confused]

  55. Tribalism of the kind that you describe is the problem – we need to evolve past these ancient tribalisms and realise that the ruling elites are shafting all of us. Trump appealed to base tribalist instincts and I am sorry but military personnel are deliberately brain washed into obeying orders without thought. You could not be more wrong if you were trying. Blind faith in a corrupt kleptocratic robber baron just because he is of your tribe is what right wingers rely on and is the reason why we are all in such a mess. You are advocating good old fashioned selfish corrupt nepotism here mate. Get out of your little box sometime. BTW I am English and the whole Brexit vote was a trick played upon desperate people by the billionaire class who wanted deregulation in business and banking and dismantling of expensive environmental laws. Just like in the US, the kleptocrats have been defunding higher education for years precisely because they want an acquiescent thoughtless selfish population which is easy to control. Your narrative serves to support the establishment, nothing more.

  56. Tribalism of the kind that you describe is the problem – we need to evolve past these ancient tribalisms and realise that the ruling elites are shafting all of us. Trump appealed to base tribalist instincts and I am sorry but military personnel are deliberately brain washed into obeying orders without thought. You could not be more wrong if you were trying. Blind faith in a corrupt kleptocratic robber baron just because he is of your tribe is what right wingers rely on and is the reason why we are all in such a mess. You are advocating good old fashioned selfish corrupt nepotism here mate. Get out of your little box sometime. BTW I am English and the whole Brexit vote was a trick played upon desperate people by the billionaire class who wanted deregulation in business and banking and dismantling of expensive environmental laws. Just like in the US, the kleptocrats have been defunding higher education for years precisely because they want an acquiescent thoughtless selfish population which is easy to control. Your narrative serves to support the establishment, nothing more.

  57. A common threat seems to be the only thing that unites extremely different groups who would otherwise not even speak with one another, let alone work with one another. Whether that threat is a natural disaster or a hostile foreign power, tribes who hate each other to the core temporarily put aside their differences to address and overcome the threat.

    Here's an example: In World War II, the capitalist West (mainly the U.S. and Great Britain) and communist Russia put aside their ideological differences and hatreds for one another in order to defeat Nazi Germany and fascist Italy. The same could be said for the Chinese in the same time period. The communists under Mao Zedong and the nationalists under Chiang Kai-shek put their civil war on hold in order to deal with imperial Japan. Once the immediate threat was dealt with, the world got the Cold War between the capitalists and the communists lasting more than four decades. The Chinese Civil war picked right back up from where it left off and the Western Allies and the Soviets were carving up Europe under their respective spheres of influence.

    Only a shared, common threat brings people of extreme differences together, and that sense of camaraderie and cohesion usually lasts only as long as that threat poses a clear and present danger.

  58. The false assumption here is that rejecting tribalism, seeing oneself as an individual, precludes caring for others.

  59. love junger, but the USA is different countries dependent on race & economic standing. different laws are applicable per race, income, etc.

  60. Criticism towards the government is the natural progression of any civilized society. If you can't agree with the decisions being made you must be able to speak. Our tribe is too big, and our leaders don't represent us anymore.

  61. I really appreciate all your work! I agree that it’s central to organization to realize our innate kinship.
    But I also disagree with you that the US has overcome its internal divisions. I don’t think you believe that either, but you did say that, and I believe it’s dangerous to overlook our shortcomings. Thanks man!

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