Should the USA Build a Wall on BOTH of its Borders? (feat. Asylum Seeker)

– Hey, where is everybody? Doesn’t anybody wanna get this wall built? All right, all right,
we’re just jokin’ around, but there is an important truth here. When we’re talkin’ about border security, it’s always about down
there, and yet up here, there’s the largest militarized border in the entire world. And just on the other
side, enough maple syrup to drown an entire town. That actually happened once by the way. The U.S.-Canada border has
essentially been peaceful since the end of the war of 1812, and in doing so, it’s created
a huge historical anomaly. Centuries of trust and easy passage. So if we’re talkin’ about
putting up border walls, why not make the northern one secure too, especially since it’s the
biggest one in the game. If we made America from scratch today, would we build a wall on
the U.S.-Canada border. – This unguarded metal
fence is the only thing preventing criminal gangs, drug smugglers, and human traffickers from
entering this remote corner of New York. If you look at the number of
people who were apprehended from the terror watch list, around a dozen were stopped on the southern border in the fiscal year of 2018
while in that first half of that same period, more
than triple that number were stopped on the Canadian border, around 41.
– President Donald Trump has been pushing for a wall
along the U.S.-Mexico border since his campaign. He’s claimed that undocumented immigrants inevitably lead to an increase in crime. This language has obviously
rallied his political base, but the statistics don’t back
up everything he’s saying. In fact, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection
Data, illegal immigration across our southern
border has been decreasing for the past 20 years. As far as crime goes,
libertarian research group, the Cato Institute found that in Texas, conviction rates are lower
for undocumented immigrants than people born in the U.S. You may not know this because
of the way our southern border is covered by the media, but every day, about a million people cross
back and forth legally. In fact, there are cohesive metro areas that are split up by the
border, like El Paso and Juarez, and San Diego and Tijuana. There’s a name for cities
like this, binational. Cities like this,
cohesive metro areas split by a national border
appear all over the world. By comparison to our north, about 400,000 people cross back and forth across the border daily, and
it’s not as heavily patrolled. CBS News reported that illegal
Canadian border crossings had ballooned 142 percent
between 2017 and 2018. That’s partially because
the northern border doesn’t get the resources and attention that the southern border does. Some of the border is
protected by censor boxes that alert off officers
if someone crosses. Sort of like an international doorbell, except there’s no door. Well, how come there’s no talk about the northern border at all? – I knew you were gonna
ask me this question, so, ’cause I don’t think
about the northern border a whole lot.
(mellow music) At least not from an illegal
migration perspective. It actually is a big issue from a business immigration perspective, but not such a big issue from an illegal. – Unlike our northern border,
there are a record amount of people being apprehended
at our southern border, the highest since 2007. So let’s take a look at why that is. When you talk about this
administration’s reaction to what’s going on at the border, what exactly is going on at the border? – Well, so if you ask me,
what’s going on at the border is a symptom of what’s
going on in Central America, in the northern triangle
of Central America. – What Leon is talking about
is the poverty, corruption, violence, and affects of climate change that the people of Guatemala,
Honduras, and El Salvador are currently facing, causing
them to leave their homes and seek asylum in Mexico and the U.S. (somber music) – Those are countries that
have the first, second, and fourth highest homicide
rates in the world. – Wow.
– It’s not just poverty. Poverty’s bad, but what if you’re so poor, you can’t afford enough
food to feed your kids. (somber music) May perceive coming to
the U.S. as maybe a life and death issue possibly, as well. – Other people have been harmed
by gangs in Central America. (somber music) Other families and women have been victims of gender-based violence
in their home countries. – [Leon] So that’s where the crisis is. What’s going on at the
border is a manifestation and symptom of that crisis.
– A large group of people are making their way to our
southern border to seek asylum. The problem is is that
once that get there, it may take years before
their case is even decided. As of March 2019, the
average wait time for those under the defensive asylum
process in California was over two years, according to the TRAC. – Look, I take personal, some personal responsibility for this. – Mhm.
– Is the long wait times. – [Reporter] Along the
southern border, migrants seeking asylum in the United
States are now being told to wait here in Mexico. – I mean, border patrol is overwhelmed. The U.S. Department of Justice
doesn’t have enough lawyers to handle it.
– It used to be that I could just walk
up to a border guard and say I want to request asylum, and I would be processed immediately. Now, what we have seen in recent years is that to limit the number
of people who can do that, the U.S. has instituted a program where migrants essentially
have to go and take a number. – There are also those
that say the real crisis at the southern border comes
from Mexican drug cartels that have taken it over. So with all your experience,
knowing the cost, the numbers, the human power, the monetary power that it’s all gonna take, how do we need to change the
way that we look at the border to better approach the issue?
– So when I got down to the border, what struck
me most was that there’s a power vacuum in the sense
that because the U.S., nor Mexico, is properly
securing the border, a densely populated border at that, and like all power
vacuums, it gets filled. In this case it’s being dulled
by the Mexican drug cartels who have pretty much taken
over much of the border on the Mexican side.
– So certainly, there’s a role that smugglers play in promoting and exploiting the migration. A lot of those smugglers
are in fact affiliated with the drug gangs.
– The drug cartel members, themselves, aren’t the ones doing it. They pay other people to
do it most of the time. For example, the truck drivers driving through check points with
50 or 60 legal aliens in the back of an 18-wheeler, they get paid about $1000 per person. So I think the first thing we need to do is secure our own border,
not leave it to the hands of cartel members who are
abusing people on both sides. – So one presented solution
is to increase resources on our southern border
to fill the power vacuum that’s been left to the
Mexican drug cartels, but some experts say
that it’s the struggles with our current asylum
process that’s responsible for so many people trying to
enter the country illegally in the first place. So as we make the path tougher for asylum seekers, it could ramp up people
trying to cross the border? – Purely illegal
immigration, that’s right. – Okay.
– That’s right. That ends up being the
consequence of closing off any meaningful path for asylum. – What would be the first
step in the right direction to proactively creating a new perspective of the border? – So many things, so I
think the first thing that we could do is to end the practice of making people wait
in line, take a number before they can request asylum. There’s no reason that we
can’t increase staffing at the border and process more people in. – To figure out what to
do with our own borders, we could look to how
they’re handled elsewhere. What do other international borders look like around the world? Well, it varies. While we picture borders in our head as hard and fast and
easy to put a wall on, there are so many that defy that rule. The Belgian town of Baarle-Hertog and the Dutch town of Baarle-Nassau are literally intertwined
with Belgian enclaves strewn throughout Netherlands’s territory. And did you know that Liberty Island, home to New York’s Statue of Liberty, is technically part of New Jersey? The two states have an agreement
and split responsibility of the island, and on that
U.S.-Canada border we’ve been talking about, in
Derby Line, Vermont, a library and opera
house straddles the line and serves both countries, but
there are plenty of countries that do have physical border
barriers of some kind. There have been 51 of
them built since the end of World War II and about half of those have gone up since 2000. MIT researchers found that
these modern barriers, including the walls and fencing found on the U.S.-Mexico border
were primarily built by richer countries to keep citizens from neighboring poorer countries out. But do they work the way they’re intended? So and you wrote for
the Richmond Times once that a wall by itself does not stop people from entering the country, so
it brings me to the question, do you believe a physical
barrier is necessary essentially to stop people from entering the country? – Only where it makes sense. I mean, there are some places
where the natural geography means it doesn’t make sense. – Mm.
– Some places, the geography or demographics,
just dense populations, it does makes sense. Unfortunately, a wall’s become a symbol, and whether it’s a motion detector or a camera or a wall,
they are all just aids to get a person there,
law enforcement there, to make the arrest in a timely manner. Most illegal aliens to this
country overstay visas. Most people entering the country illegally in the first place though do not come through ports of entry. They enter between them across the border, so that’s really where the
physical barrier is for. – [Leon] I don’t personally
want the border to become a way for us to not
support people struggling in our neighboring countries. – Mhm.
– And turn a humanitarian crisis into purely a law enforcement crisis. (Douglas speaks in a foreign language) – So now, it’s time for you to weigh in. When we talk about building
a wall in one place and not another, what does that say about what we’re really afraid of? And what we’re not?

Author Since: Mar 11, 2019

  1. This comes down to race. Keep the brown people out and let the white people in. I mean, that’s a very easy conclusion to draw considering the stark difference in border security and assets for such between our Northern and Southern Border.

  2. For those wondering, we caught a glitch in one of the maps. So, we decided to reupload a corrected version. Thanks for understanding everyone! – Scratchy

  3. Wow PBS, when did youbecome PR for illegal aliens btw we have record breaking highs. Also Canadian gangs are murdering citizen s

  4. Build that wall Now ! Illegals cost the American Taxpayer 135 Billion Dollars every year in Welfare and Give-away Programs, want the facts, Google the Center for Immigration Studies , the Cost Of Welfare by Immigrants and Native Households !

  5. It's so nice to hear people saying the same things about El Paso, Juarez, and the real problems with the immigration system, like there not being enough judges, that we in El Paso have been saying for years from someone else. Thank you so much for making this video!

  6. Belated welcome back, excellent stuff as always! I'm an American who speaks Spanish and lives in Canada, and I can't help but think how much the language/"culture" (lol and let's be honest, race) differential dictates the warmth or coolness of the reception that folks crossing the border receive. It seems to me that folks from mexico, central, and south america are "othered" so hard because it's easier to do on visual alone. Having a language barrier that sits between americans and "others" makes it a lot easier for folks to campaign on a manufactured threat, without hearing the truth or reality of a situation from the "others" directly.

  7. The US may as well build walls on the sides as well and then put a roof on top to cap it off and fester alone inside. I'm sure Trump and people like him would love that.

  8. It's never been about border security, it's about scapegoating weaker countries and a sense of superiority. God knows what kinds things pass through more than 5,000 miles of unsecured border crossings.

  9. I see all the US dollars going toward boarder security, fighting the drug trade, building and improving walls, lawyers for immigration, and so on, and I think wouldn't it be easier to economically absorb the country of Mexico into the United States? That eliminates the need for border security across a huge distance. We can directly combat drug cartels with US agencies. Trade agreements and tariffs are nullified. We can improve the wages and lifestyles of millions of potential workers. We can eliminate those in government that are corrupt and supporting illegal activities.

    I know it's a crazy idea, but if the US absorbs Mexico's national debt and transfers over it's GDP, we may be able to find an economic balance and eliminate sooooooo much hassle. Plus, if southern border security is still an issue, it's a lot smaller next to Guatemala and Belize. And perhaps being closer to the countries in danger will have an effect on the dangers in those countries – the big country standing up to bullies.

    Just some ideas I have not heard discussed anywhere else…

  10. Houdini according to the cbp there are alot of lies here. 2019 shows a drastic increase as marked by the graph Illegal crossings are not decreasing.

  11. America from scratch brought to you by the Democrat party desperate to shore up their dwindling voter base

  12. A few things:
    1. Canada is a developed nation like the US Mexico is a developing nation
    2. It's not Mexico that's the problem, it's Mexicos neighbors that are the problem (namely Honduras and El Salvador)
    3. The wall is to prevent migrants from said unruly Mexican neighbor nation's from treking across Mexico to come here illegally
    4. Since Canada doesn't have any neighbors aside from the US its not as necessary to have a wall.

  13. because our money has to be wasted helping others and other counties that don't respect us or thank us. The republicans just want cheap labor, to keep there profits up so they can screw over native born americans, and the democrats just want it for votes. No one cares about how this negatively affects the regular Americans or poor Americans most hurt by it. And these people with their bleeding hearts make the lives of Americans worse just to "feel good"

  14. Illegal crossing have been going down! why!?! because they want to be caught get brought in wait for a trial and NEVER SHOW UP! and just disappear into the underground economy. these illegal immigrants aren't counted because they are just "assilum seekers who never showed up! Shame or you for your lies of omition!

  15. Whatever inhibitors we have to put up to stop people with the incorrect or lack of papers in my eyes is worth it. If people truly want to become a law abiding citizen of the United States of America, they should start by entering this country the correct way. Crossing illegally shows a direct disregard for the laws and policies we have in place. I understand the terrible positions people in these central and South American countries are put in but, the United States has limited resources and can’t afford to let everyone in that wants to come here. With the amount of people wanting to become American citizens sadly a backlog of immigration cases is the inevitable state of things.

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