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THAT RELATES TO EMAIL SCANDAL, CORRUPTION ALLEGATIONS RELATED TO THE CLINTON FOUNDATION AND HER OWN HEALTH. SHE WILL BE WATCHED CLOSELY FOR 90 MINUTES STANDING UP ON A STAGE UNDER TREMENDOUS PRESSURE AND HOT LIGHTS. WE WILL SEE HOW IT GOES. I THINK THEY BOTH HAVE THEIR INDIVIDUAL WEAKNESSS. MY HOPE IS THEY DON’T DEFLECT TO THE OTHER’S WEAKNESSES, I HOPE THEY ADDRESS THEIR OWN WEAKNESSES, THE COUNTRY WILL BE BETTER OFF.>>Sarah: MATT, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AS YOU PREPARE FOR THE DEBATE HERE IS ANOTHER LIVE SHOT OF HOFSTRA UNIVERSITY IN HEMPSTEAD NEW YORK. WE JUST SAW LESTER HOLT, THE MODERATOR, TAKE HIS SEAT. WE KNOW CLINTON WON THE COIN TOSS, SHE WILL GET THE FIRST QUESTION. THE FAMILIES WILL BE IN THE AUDIENCE WATCHING ALONGSIDE AS MANY AS 100 MILLION PEOPLE. STAY RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE, ROSEMARY BARTON AND THE “POW [♪♪♪]>>WELCOME TO THIS SPECIAL EDITION OF POWER AND POLITICS. I’M ROSEMARY BARTON. THE WAIT IS OVER. THE FIRST U.S. PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IS ABOUT TO BEGIN. WITH POLLS TOO CLOSE TO CALL, COULD IT BE A TURNING POINT. WILL CLINTON OR TRUMP SWAY SOME OF THE 10% OR SO AMERICANS WHO MAY BE UNDECIDED. WE WILL BRING YOU TO HOFSTRA UNIVERSITY. THE MODERATOR TOOK HIS PLACE. HERE IS OUR PANEL WHO WILL GIVE YOU ANALYSIS AFTER THE DEBATE AT 10:30. IN WASHINGTON. IN TORONTO, FROM POMP AND CIRCUMSTANCE. HERE IN STUDIO, TIM POWERS. AND CBC POLL ANALYST ERIC GRENIER. IN 15 SECONDS OR LESS, EACH ONE OF YOU. THAT WILL BE EASY. WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING, ERIC, FIRST.>>TRUMP HAS BEEN MAKING GAINS IN THE POLLS. HILLARY CLINTON NEEDS SOMETHING TO STOP THE MOMENTUM. THE BEST THING SHE CAN DO IS TO EXPOSE HIS WEAKNESS IN THE POLLS. A LOT OF AMERICANS DO NOT THINK HE HAS THE RIGHT TEMPERAMENT TO BE PRESIDENT.>>THIS IS ABOUT PERFORMANCE VERSUS POLICY. CAN SHE BACK HIM INTO THE CORNER SO HE CAN’T USE HIS BROAD SWEEPING GENERALIZATIONS AND CAN HE PUT A HIGHLIGHT ON THE THING THAT PEOPLE ARE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT, HER CHARACTER AND HER INTEGRITY.>>I WILL LOOK AT HOW SERIOUS IS DONALD TRUMP PRESIDENCY FOR CANADA. IS HE GOING TO COME AFTER US ON ECONOMIC FRONTS OR WILL WE SEE THE WILD ACCUSATIONS THAT ARE EASY TO DISCOUNT. AGAIN UNTIL THE NEXT ELECTION CYCLE OR WILL CANADIAN POLITICIANS BE FORCED TO CONTEND WITH A TRUMP THAT IS LEADING A CLINTON BY A LARGER MARGIN THAN HE MAY BE ALREADY.>>CAN TRUMP PASS THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF TEST OF SOMEONE YOU WOULD TRUST WITH THE NUCLEAR CODES. CAN HE APPEAL TO WHITE UPPER INCOME REPUBLICANS IN THE SUBURBS IN THE SWING STATES? CAN CLINTON PASS THE TRUST TEST AND CAN SHE APPEAL TO MILLENIALS WHO SO FAR ARE GOING WITH THE THIRD PARTY CANDIDATES AND AREN’T WON OVER TO THE CANDIDACY YET.>>Rosemary: LAST FOR YOU.>>ANOTHER CHANNEL, THEY ARE PLAYING FOR A WILDCARD SPOT IN BASEBALL. THIS IS A WILDCARD. DO WE GET A TRUMP MOMENT WHERE HE BEHAVES LIKE A CHIMP OR WOW, A SURPRISE MOMENT. IT IS MORE ABOUT TRUMP THAN CLINTON TONIGHT.>>Rosemary: WE ARE WAITING — I AM GLAD WE GOT OUR SAY. I CAN CUT ANYBODY OFF AND I FEEL OKAY ABOUT IT. WE ARE WAITING FOR THE HEADS UP FROM LESTER HOLT WHO IS THE MODERATOR, THE HOST OF NBC NIGHTLY NEWS WHO HAS GIVEN US JUST NOW THE ONE MINUTE WARNING. I WILL LET YOU KNOW HE CAME OUT IN FRONT OF THE AUDIENCE BEFORE IT BEGAN, AND DID TELL EVERYBODY NOT TO REACT. AND NOT TO CLAP. IT IS NOT THAT KIND OF DEBATE. THIS IS NOT A PARTISAN OFFERING. BILL CLINTON, ARRIVED AND SHOOK HANDS WITH IVANA TRUMP AND HIS FAMILY. THERE ARE OTHERS WATCHING WHAT WILL BE A CRITICAL DEBATE TONIGHT. THE POLLS AGAIN ARE RELATIVELY NECK AND NECK AT THIS STAGE. THERE IS A LOT RIDING ON DONALD TRUMP WHO IS UNTESTED IN THIS FORMAT. AND HILLARY CLINTON WHO HAS BEEN TESTED MANY TIMES BEFORE IN THE DEBATE. LET’S BRING YOU TO THE FLOOR OF THE DEBATE AND SEE WHAT WE CAN LISTEN TO NOW.>>>QUITE SILENT. ERIC, GIVE US A THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK MAY BE THE DETERMINING FACTOR HERE?>>MOST AMERICANS IN POLLS.>>GOOD EVENING, WE WELCOME YOU TO THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. THE PARTICIPANTS ARE DONALD TRUMP AND HILLARY CLINTON. THIS DEBATE IS SPONSORED BY THE COMMISSION ON PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES. A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION. THE COMMISSION DRAFTED THE FORMAT AND THE RULES HAVE BEEN AGREED TO BY THE CAMPAIGNS. THE 90 MINUTE DEBATE IS DIVIDED INTO 6 SEGMENTS, EACH 15 MINUTES LONG. WE WILL EXPLORE THREE TOPIC AREAS, ACHIEVING PROSPERITY, AMERICA’S DIRECTION AND SECURING AMERICA. AT THE START OF EACH SEGMENT, I WILL ASK THE SAME LEADOFF QUESTION TO BOTH CANDIDATES. THEY HAVE TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND. FROM THAT POINT, UNTIL THE END OF THE SEGMENT, WE WILL HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION. THE QUESTIONS HAVE NOT BEEN SHARED WITH THE COMMISSION OR THE CAMPAIGNS. THE AUDIENCE IN THE ROOM HAS AGREED TO REMAIN SILENT SO WE CAN FOCUS ON WHAT THE CANDIDATES ARE SAYING. I WILL INVITE YOU TO APPLAUD AT THIS MOMENT AS WE WELCOME THE CANDIDATES. DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT OF THE HILLARY CLINTON AND DONALD TRUMP. I DON’T EXPECT US TO COVER ALL THE ISSUES OF THIS CAMPAIGN TONIGHT. I REMIND EVERYONE THERE ARE TWO MORE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES SCHEDULED. WE ARE GOING TO FOCUS ON MANY OF THE ISSUES THAT VOTERS TELL US ARE MOST IMPORTANT. WE WILL PRESS FOR SPECIFICS. I AM HONOURED TO HAVE THIS ROLE, THIS EVENING BELONGS TO THE CANDIDATES AND JUST AS IMPORTANT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. CANDIDATES, WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEAR YOU ARTICULATE YOUR POLICIES AND POSITIONS AND YOUR VISIONS AND YOUR VALUES. SO LET’S BEGIN. WE ARE CALLING THIS OPENING SEGMENT ACHIEVING PROSPERITY. AND CENTRAL TO THAT IS JOBS. THERE ARE TWO ECONOMIC REALITIES IN AMERICA TODAY, THERE IS A RECORD SIX STRAIGHT YEARS OF JOB GROWTH AND CENSUS RECORDS SHOW THERE IS AN INCREASE AFTER YEARS OF STAGNATION. INCOME INEQUALITY AND HALF OF AMERICANS ARE LIVING PAYCHEQUE TO PAYCHEQUE. BEGINNING WITH YOU SECRETARY CLINTON, WHY ARE YOU A BETTER CHOICE THAN YOUR OPPONENT TO CREATE THE KINDS OF JOBS THAT WILL PUT MORE MONEY INTO THE POCKETS OF AMERICAN WORKERS?>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THANK YOU FOR HOFSTRA FOR HOSTING US. THE CENTRAL QUESTION IN THE ELECTION IS REALLY WHAT KIND OF COUNTRY WE WANT TO BE AND WHAT KIND OF FUTURE WE WILL BUILD TOGETHER. TODAY IS MY GRANDDAUGHTER’S SECOND BIRTHDAY. I THINK ABOUT THIS A LOT. FIRST, WE HAVE TO BUILD AN ECONOMY THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE, NOT JUST THOSE AT THE TOP. THAT MEANS, WE NEED NEW JOBS, GOOD JOBS WITH RISING INCOMES. I WANT US TO INVEST IN YOU. I WANT US TO INVEST IN YOUR FUTURE. THAT MEANS JOBS AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND ADVANCED MANUFACTURING. INNOVATION AND TECHNOLOGY. CLEAN RENEWABLE ENERGY AND SMALL BUSINESS, BECAUSE MOST OF THE NEW JOBS WILL COME FROM SMALL BUSINESS. WE ALSO HAVE TO MAKE THE ECONOMY FAIRER. THAT STARTS WITH RAISING THE NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE. AND ALSO GUARANTEES FINALLY EQUAL PAY FOR WOMEN’S WORK. I ALSO WANT TO SEE MORE COMPANIES DO PROFIT-SHARING. IF YOU HELP CREATE THE PROFITS, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SHARE IN THEM. NOT JUST THE EXECUTIVES AT THE TOP. AND I WANT US TO DO MORE TO SUPPORT PEOPLE WHO ARE STRUGGLING TO BALANCE FAMILY AND WORK. I HAVE HEARD FROM SO MANY OF YOU ABOUT THE DIFFICULT CHOICES YOU FACE AND THE STRESSES THAT YOU ARE UNDER. SO LET’S HAVE PAID FAMILY LEAVE. EARNED SICK DAYS. LET’S BE SURE WE HAVE AFFORDABLE CHILD CARE AND DEBT FREE COLLEGE. WE WILL DO IT BY HAVING THE WEALTHY PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE AND CLOSE THE CORPORATE LOOPHOLES. WE, FINALLY, ARE ON THE STAGE TOGETHER, DONALD TRUMP AND I. DONALD, IT IS GOOD TO BE WITH YOU. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A DEBATE WHERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE IMPORTANT ISSUES FACING OUR COUNTRY. YOU HAVE TO JUDGE US. WHO CAN SHOULDER THE IMMENSE AWESOME RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE PRESIDENCY. WHO CAN PUT INTO ACTION THE PLANS THAT WILL MAKE YOUR LIFE BETTER. I HOPE THAT I WILL BE ABLE TO EARN YOUR VOTE ON NOVEMBER 8TH.>>Lester: SECRETARY CLINTON, MR. TRUMP, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU. ABOUT PUTTING MORE MONEY INTO THE POCKETS OF AMERICAN WORKERS. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.>>THANK YOU. OUR JOBS ARE FLEEING THE COMPANY. THEY ARE GOING TO MEXICO. THEY ARE GOING TO MANY OTHER COUNTRIES. YOU LOOK AT WHAT CHINA IS DOING TO OUR COUNTRIES MAKING OUR PRODUCT. THERE IS NOBODY IN THE GOVERNMENT TO FIGHT THEM. WE HAVE A GOOD FIGHT AND A WINNING FIGHT. THEY ARE USING OUR COUNTRY AS A PIGGY BANK TO REBUILD CHINA AND MANY OTHER COUNTRIES ARE DOING THE SAME THING. WE ARE LOSING OUR GOOD JOBS. SO MANY OF THEM. WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN MEXICO. A FRIEND OF MINE WHO BUILDS PLANTS SAID IT IS THE 8th WONDER OF THE WORLD. THEY ARE BUILDING THE BIGGEST PLANTS ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, SOME OF THE MOST SOPHISTICATED AND THE BEST PLANTS. WITH THE UNITED STATES AS HE SAID, NOT SO MUCH. SO FORD IS LEAVING. YOU SEE THAT. A CAR DIVISION LEAVING. THOUSANDS OF JOBS LEAVING MICHIGAN AND OHIO. THEY ARE ALL LEAVING. AS FAR AS CHILD CARE IS CONCERNED AND OTHER THINGS, HILLARY AND I AGREE ON THAT. WE PROBABLY DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT AS TO NUMBERS AND AMOUNTS AND WHAT WE WILL DO. BUT PERHAPS WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. WE HAVE TO STOP OUR JOBS FROM BEING STOLEN FROM US. WE HAVE TO STOP OUR COMPANIES FROM LEAVING THE UNITED STATES AND WITH IT FIRING ALL OF THE PEOPLE. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOOKING INDIANAPOLIS, THEY LET GO 4500 PEOPLE, THEY ARE GOING TO MEXICO. SO MANY HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF COMPANIES ARE DOING THIS. WE CANNOT LET IT HAPPEN. UNDER MY PLAN, I WILL BE REDUCING TAXES TREMENDOUSLY. FROM 35% TO 15% FOR COMPANIES. SMALL AND BIG BUSINESSES. THAT IS GOING TO BE A JOB CREATOR LIKE WE HAVE NOT SEEN SINCE RONALD REGAN. IT WILL BE A BEAUTIFUL THING TO WATCH. COMPANIES WILL COME, THEY WILL BUILD, THEY WILL EXPAND. NEW COMPANIES WILL START. AND I LOOK VERY, VERY MUCH FORWARD TO DOING IT. WE HAVE TO RENEGOTIATE OUR TRADE DEALS. AND WE HAVE TO STOP THESE COUNTRIES FROM STEALING OUR COMPANIES AND OUR JOBS.>>Lester: SECRETARY CLINTON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND?>>I THINK THAT TRADE IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE. OF COURSE, WE ARE 5% OF THE WORLD’S POPULATION, WE HAVE TO TRADE WITH THE OTHER 95%. AND WE NEED TO HAVE SMART, FAIR TRADE DEALS. WE ALSO, THOUGH, NEED TO HAVE A TAX SYSTEM THAT REWARDS WORK AND NOT JUST FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS. AND THE KIND OF PLAN THAT DONALD HAS PUT FORTH WOULD BE TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS ALL OVER AGAIN. IN FACT, IT WOULD BE THE MOST EXTREME VERSION, THE BIGGEST TAX CUTS FOR THE TOP PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY THAN WE HAVE EVER HAD. I CALL IT TRUMPED UP TRICKLE DOWN. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IT WOULD BE. THAT IS NOT HOW WE GROW THE ECONOMY. WE JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW ABOUT WHAT IS BEST FOR GROWING THE ECONOMY. HOW WE MAKE INVESTMENTS THAT WILL ACTUALLY PRODUCE JOBS AND RISING INCOMES. I THINK WE COME AT IT FROM SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES. I UNDERSTAND THAT. YOU KNOW, DONALD WAS VERY FORTUNATE IN HIS LIFE, AND THAT’S ALL TO HIS BENEFIT. HE STARTED HIS BUSINESS WITH $14 MILLION BORROWED FROM HIS FATHER. HE REALLY BELIEVES THAT THE MORE YOU HELP WEALTHY PEOPLE, THE BETTER OFF WE WILL BE AND EVERYTHING WILL WORK OUT FROM THERE. I DON’T BUY THAT. I HAVE A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE. MY FATHER WAS A SMALL BUSINESSMAN. HE WORKED REALLY HARD. HE PRINTED DRAPERY FABRIC ON LONG TABLES, HE WOULD PULL OUT THE FABRICS AND WENT DOWN WITH A SILK SCREEN AND DUMPED THE PAINT IN AND KEPT GOING. AND WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE MORE WE CAN DO FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS, THE MORE WE CAN INVEST IN YOU, YOUR EDUCATION, YOUR SKILLS, YOUR FUTURE. THE BETTER WE WILL BE OFF. THE BETTER WE WILL GROW. THAT IS THE ECONOMY I WANT US TO SEE.>>Lester: YOU TALKED ABOUT CREATING 25 MILLION JOBS, YOU PROMISED TO BRING BACK MILLIONS OF JOBS FOR AMERICANS. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO BRING BACK THE INDUSTRIES THAT HAVE LEFT THIS COUNTRY FOR CHEAPER LABOUR OVERSEAS? HOW SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU GOING TO TELL AMERICAN MANUFACTURERS THAT YOU HAVE TO COME BACK?>>WELL, FOR ONE THING, AND BEFORE WE START ON THAT, MY FATHER GAVE ME A SMALL AMOUNT IN 1975, AND I BUILT IT INTO A COMPANY THAT IS WORTH MANY, MANY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. WITH SOME OF THE GREATEST ASSETS IN THE WORLD. I SAY THAT ONLY BECAUSE THAT’S THE KIND OF THINKING THAT OUR COUNTRY NEEDS. OUR COUNTRY IS IN DEEP TROUBLE. WE DON’T KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING WHEN IT COMES TO DEVALUATIONS AND ALL OF THESE COUNTRIES ALL OVER THE WORLD, ESPECIALLY CHINA, THEY ARE THE BEST OF AT IT. WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO US IS A VERY, VERY SAD THING. WE HAVE TO DO THAT. WE HAVE TO RENEGOTIATE OUR TRADE DEALS. LESTER, THEY ARE TAKING OUR JOBS, THEY ARE GIVING INCENTIVES AND DOING THINGS THAT FRANKLY WE DON’T DO. LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF MEXICO, THEY HAVE A TAX. WHEN WE SELL INTO MEXICO, THERE IS A TAX. WHEN THEY SELL — AN AUTOMATIC 16% APPROXIMATELY. WHEN THEY SELL INTO US, THERE IS NO TAX. IT IS A DEFECTIVE AGREEMENT. IT HAS BEEN DEFECTIVE FOR A LONG TIME. MANY YEARS. THE POLITICIANS HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING ABOUT IT. IN ALL FAIRNESS TO SECRETARY CLINTON, YES, IS THAT OKAY, GOOD. I WANT YOU TO BE VERY HAPPY. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. IN ALL FAIRNESS TO SECRETARY CLINTON, WHEN SHE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS, IT WAS REALLY VERY RECENTLY, SHE HAS BEEN DOING THIS FOR 30 YEARS. AND WHY HASN’T SHE MADE THE AGREEMENTS BETTER? THE NAFTA AGREEMENT IS DEFECTIVE BECAUSE OF THE TAX AND MANY OTHER REASONS. JUST BECAUSE OF THE TAX.>>Lester: LET ME INTERRUPT.>>SECRETARY CLINTON AND OTHER, POLITICIANS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS. NOT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE CREATED A MOVEMENT. THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS. WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO OUR JOBS AND OUR ECONOMY, WE ARE $20 TRILLION, WE OWE. WE CANNOT DO IT ANYLONGER.>>Lester: HOW DO YOU BRING BACK SPECIFICALLY JOBS, AMERICAN MANUFACTURERS, HOW DO YOU MAKE THEM BRING THE JOBS BACK?>>YOU KNOW THAT THE JOBS LEAVE. THE COMPANIES ARE LEAVING. I CAN NAME — THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF THEM. THEY ARE LEAVING AND THEY ARE LEAVING IN BIGGER NUMBERS THAN EVER. AND WHAT YOU DO IS YOU SAY, FINE, YOU WANT TO GO TO MEXICO OR SOME OTHER COUNTRY, GOOD LUCK, WE WISH YOU A LOT OF LUCK. IF YOU THINK YOU WILL MAKE YOUR AIR CONDITIONERS OR COOKIES OR WHAT YOU MAKE AND BRING THEM INTO OUR COUNTRY WITHOUT A TAX, YOU ARE WRONG. ONCE YOU SAY YOU WILL HAVE TO TAX THEM COMING IN AND OUR POLITICIANS NEVER DO THIS, BECAUSE THEY HAVE SPECIAL INTERESTS AND THE SPECIAL INTERESTS WANT THOSE COMPANIES TO LEAVE BECAUSE IN MANY CASES THEY OWN THE COMPANIES. WHAT I AM SAYING IS WE CAN STOP THEM FROM LEAVING, WE HAVE TO STOP THEM FROM LEAVING AND IT IS A BIG, BIG FACTOR.>>Lester: SECRETARY CLINTON.>>LET’S STOP FOR A SECOND AND REMEMBER WHERE WE WERE 8 YEARS AGO. WE HAD THE WORST FINANCIAL CRISIS, THE GREAT RECESSION, THE WORST SINCE THE 1930s. THAT WAS IN LARGE PART BECAUSE OF TAX POLICIES THAT SLASHED TAXES ON THE WEALTHY, TOOK THEIR EYES OFF WALL STREET AND CREATED A PERFECT STORM. IN FACT, DONALD WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ROOTED FOR THE HOUSING CRISIS. HE SAID BACK IN 2006, GEE, I HOPE IT DOES COLLAPSE BECAUSE THEN I CAN GO IN AND BUY SOME AND MAKE SOME MONEY. IT DID COLLAPSE. 9 MILLION PEOPLE. 9 MILLION PEOPLE LOST THEIR JOBS. 5 MILLION PEOPLE LOST THEIR HOMES. AND $13 TRILLION IN FAMILY WEALTH WAS WIPED OUT. NOW, WE HAVE COME BACK FROM THAT ABYSS. AND IT HAS NOT BEEN EASY. WE ARE ON THE PRECIPICE OF HAVING A POTENTIALLY MUCH BETTER ECONOMY, BUT THE LAST THING WE NEED TO DO IS TO GO BACK TO THE POLICIES THAT FAILED US IN THE FIRST PLACE. INDEPENDENT EXPERTS LOOKED AT WHAT I PROPOSED AND LOOKED AT WHAT DONALD’S PROPOSED AND BASICALLY THEY HAVE SAID THIS: IF HIS TAX PLAN, WHICH WOULD BLOW UP THE DEATH BY OVER $5 TRILLION, AND WOULD IN SOME INSTANCES DISADVANTAGE MIDDLE CLASS FAMILIES COMPARED TO THE WEALTHY, WERE TO GO INTO EFFECT, WE WOULD LOSE 3.5 MILLION JOBS. AND MAYBE HAVE ANOTHER RECESSION. THEY HAVE LOOKED AT MY PLANS AND THEY HAVE SAID, OKAY, IF WE CAN DO THIS AND I INTEND TO GET IT DONE, WE WILL HAVE 10 MILLION MORE NEW JOBS. BECAUSE, WE WILL BE MAKING INVESTMENTS WHERE WE CAN GROW THE ECONOMY. TAKE CLEAN ENERGY, SOME COUNTRY IS GOING TO BE THE CLEAN ENERGY SUPER POWER OF THE 21st CENTURY. DONALD THINKS THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS A HOAX. PERPETRATED BY THE CHINESE. I THINK IT IS REAL.>>I DO NOT SAY THAT. I DO NOT SAY THAT.>>I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE GRIP THIS AND DEAL WITH IT AT HOME AND ABROAD. WE CAN DEPLOY A HALF BILLION MORE SOLAR PANELS. WE CAN HAVE ENOUGH CLEAN ENERGY TO POWER EVERY HOME. WE CAN BUILD A NEW MODERN ELECTRIC GRID. THAT IS A LOT OF JOBS. THAT IS A LOT OF NEW ECONOMIC ACTIVITY. I HAVE TRIED TO BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT WE CAN AND SHOULD DO. AND I AM DETERMINED THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET THE ECONOMY REALLY MOVING AGAIN. BUILDING ON THE PROGRESS WE HAVE MADE OVER THE LAST 8 YEARS. NEVER GOING BACK TO WHAT GOT US IN TROUBLE IN THE FIRST PLACE.>>Lester: MR. TRUMP.>>SHE TALKS ABOUT SOLAR PANELS. WE INVESTED IN THE SOLAR PANELS, THEY LOST PLENTY OF MONEY ON THAT ONE. LOOK, I AM A GREAT BELIEVER IN ALL FORMS OF ENERGY. WE ARE PUTTING A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT OF WORK. OUR ENERGY POLICIES ARE A DISASTER. OUR COUNTRY IS LOSING SO MUCH IN TERMS OF ENERGY AND IN TERMS OF PAYING OFF OUR DEBT. YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING TO DO WITH 20 TRILLION IN DEBT. THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION FROM THE TIME THEY HAVE COME IN IS OVER 230 YEARS WORTH OF DEBT. AND HE TOPPED IT. HE HAS DOUBLED IT IN A COURSE OF ALMOST 8 YEARS, 7 AND A HALF YEARS TO BE SEMI-EXACT. I WILL TELL YOU THIS, WE HAVE TO DO A MUCH BETTER JOB AT KEEPING OUR JOBS. AND WE HAVE TO DO A MUCH BETTER JOB AT GIVING COMPANIES INCENTIVE TO BUILD NEW COMPANIES OR TO EXPAND. THEY ARE NOT DOING IT. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOOK AT MICHIGAN AND OHIO AND LOOK AT ALL THE PLACES WHERE SO MANY OF THEIR JOBS AND THEIR COMPANIES ARE JUST LEAVING. THEY ARE GONE. I ASK YOU THIS, YOU HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 30 YEARS. WHY ARE YOU JUST THINKING ABOUT THESE SOLUTIONS RIGHT NOW? FOR 30 YEARS YOU HAVE BEEN DOING IT AND YOU ARE STARTING TO LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS. I WILL BRING BACK JOBS. YOU CAN’T BRING BACK JOBS.>>ACTUALLY I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS QUITE A BIT.>>Donald Trump: FOR 30 YEARS.>>NOT QUITE THAT LONG. I THINK MY HUSBAND DID A GOOD JOB IN THE 1990s. I THINK ABOUT WHAT WORKED AND HOW WE CAN MAKE IT WORK AGAIN. BRINGING IN NEW JOBS.>>THE SINGLE WORST TRADE DEAL EVER APPROVED.>>INCOME WENT UP FOR EVERYBODY. MANUFACTURING JOBS WENT UP IN THE 1990s. IF WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THE FACTS. WHEN I WAS IN THE SENATE, I HAD A NUMBER OF TRADE DEALS THAT CAME BEFORE ME. I HELD THEM ALL TO THE SAME TEST. WILL THEY CREATE JOBS IN AMERICA? WILL THEY RAISE INCOMES IN AMERICA. ARE THEY GOOD FOR OUR NATIONAL SECURITY. SOME OF THEM I VOTED FOR. THE BIGGEST ONE, A MULTINATIONAL ONE KNOWN AS CAPTA I VOTED AGAINST. BECAUSE I HOLD THE SAME STANDARDS AS I LOOK AT ALL OF THESE TRADE DEALS. LET’S NOT ASSUME THAT TRADE IS THE ONLY CHALLENGE WE HAVE IN THE ECONOMY. I THINK IT IS A PART OF IT. I HAVE SAID WHAT I WILL DO. I WILL HAVE A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR. WE ARE GOING TO ENFORCE THE TRADE DEALS WE HAVE. AND WE ARE GOING TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE. WHEN I WAS SECRETARY OF STATE, WE INCREASED AMERICAN EXPORTS GLOBALLY 30%. WE INCREASED THEM TO CHINA 50%. SO I KNOW HOW TO REALLY WORK TO GET NEW JOBS AND TO GET EXPORTS THAT HELP TO CREATE MORE NEW JOBS.>>Donald Trump: YOU HAVE NOT DONE IT IN 30 YEARS.>>Hilary Clinton: I HAVE BEEN A SENATOR. I HAVE BEEN A SECRETARY OF STATE.>>Donald Trump: YOUR HUSBAND SIGNED NAFTA.>>THAT IS YOUR OPINION.>>Donald Trump: YOU GO TO NEW ENGLAND AND OHIO, YOU GO WHERE YOU WANT, SECRETARY CLINTON, YOU WILL SEE DEVASTATION WHERE MANUFACTURING IS DOWN, 30, 40, 50%. NAFTA IS THE WORST TRADE DEAL MAYBE EVER SIGNED ANYWHERE. CERTAINLY SIGNED IN THE COUNTRY. YOU WANT TO APPROVE TRANS-PACIFIC PARTNERSHIP. YOU WERE IN FAVOUR OF IT AND YOU HEARD WHAT I SAID. YOU KNOW IF YOU DID WIN, YOU WOULD APPROVE THAT AND IT WOULD BE AS BAD AS NAFTA.>>THAT IS NOT ACCURATE.>>Donald Trump: YOU CALLED IT THE GOLD STANDARD OF TRADE DEALS. THE FINEST DEAL AND YOU HEARD WHAT I SAID ABOUT IT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU WERE AGAINST IT.>>I KNOW YOU LIVE IN YOUR OWN REALITY, DONALD. THAT IS NOT THE FACTS. THE FACTS ARE, I DID SAY I HOPED IT WOULD BE A GOOD DEAL. WHEN IT WAS NEGOTIATED. I WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR. I CONCLUDED IT WASN’T. I WROTE ABOUT THAT.>>Donald Trump: IS IT PRESIDENT OBAMA’S FAULT?>>LOOK, THERE ARE –>>Donald Trump: IS IT PRESIDENT OBAMA’S FAULT?>>THERE ARE DIFFERENT VIEWS ABOUT WHAT IS GOOD FOR OUR COUNTRY, OUR ECONOMY, AND OUR LEADERSHIP IN THE WORLD. AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET THE ECONOMY GOING AGAIN. THAT’S WHAT I SAID, NEW JOBS WITH RISING INCOMES, INVESTMENTS, NOT MORE TAX CUTS THAT ADD $5 TRILLION TO THE DEBT.>>Donald Trump: YOU HAVE NO PLAN.>>I DO.>>Donald Trump: YOU HAVE NO PLAN.>>YOU CAN PICK IT UP AT AN AIRPORT NEAR YOU. WE NEED STRONG GROWTH. FAIR GROWTH. SUSTAINED GROWTH. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW WE HELP FAMILIES BALANCE THE RESPONSIBILITIES AT HOME AND THE RESPONSIBILITIES AT BUSINESS. WE HAVE A VERY ROBUST SET OF PLANS AND PEOPLE HAVE LOOKED AT BOTH OF OUR PLANS, HAVE CONCLUDED THAT MINE WOULD CREATE 10 MILLION JOBS AND YOURS WOULD LOSE US 3.5 MILLION JOBS: >>Donald Trump: YOU ARE GOING TO APPROVE ONE OF THE BIGGEST TAX CUTS IN HISTORY. YOU ARE GOING TO APPROVE ONE OF THE BIGGEST TAX INCREASES IN HISTORY. YOU WILL DRIVE BUSINESS OUT. YOUR REGULATIONS ARE A DISASTER, AND YOU WILL INCREASE REGULATIONS ALL OVER THE PLACE AND BY THE WAY, MY TAX CUT IS THE BIGGEST SINCE RONALD REGAN. I AM VERY PROUD OF IT. IT WILL CREATE TREMENDOUS NUMBERS OF NEW JOBS. REGULATIONS, YOU ARE GOING TO REGULATE THESE BUSINESSES OUT OF EXISTENCE. WHEN I GO AROUND, LESTER, I TELL YOU THIS, I HAVE BEEN ALL OVER, AND WHEN I GO AROUND, DESPITE THE TAX CUT, THE THINGS THAT BUSINESSES AND PEOPLE LIKE THE MOST IS THE FACT THAT I AM CUTTING REGULATION. YOU HAVE REGULATIONS ON TOP OF REGULATIONS, AND NEW COMPANIES CANNOT FORM AND OLD COMPANIES ARE GOING OUT OF BUSINESS AND YOU WANT TO INCREASE THE REGULATIONS AND MAKE THEM WORSE. I AM GOING TO CUT REGULATIONS. WHAT I AM GOING TO CUT TAXES AND YOU WILL RAISE TAXES BIG LEAGUE. END OF STORY.>>Hillary Clinton: I ASSUMED THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF CHARGES AND CLAIMS. WE HAVE TAKEN THE HOME PAGE OF MY WEBSITE AND TURNED IT INTO A FACT CHECKER, SO IF YOU WANT TO SEE IN REAL-TIME WHAT THE FACTS ARE, PLEASE GO AND TAKE A LOOK.>>Donald Trump: TAKE A LOOK AT MINE ALSO.>>Hillary Clinton: YOUR PLANS WOULD ADD $5 TRILLION TO THE DEBT. MINE NOT A PENNY. WHAT I PROPOSED WOULD CUT REGULATIONS AND STREAMLINE THEM FOR SMALL BUSINESSES. WHAT I HAVE PROPOSED WOULD BE PAID FOR BY RAISING THE TAXES ON THE WEALTHY BECAUSE THEY HAVE MADE ALL THE GAINS IN THE ECONOMY. AND I THINK IT IS TIME THAT THE WEALTHY AND CORPORATIONS PAID THEIR FAIR SHARE TO SUPPORT THE COUNTRY.>>Lester: YOU OPENED THE NEXT SEGMENT.>>Donald Trump: CAN I FINISH. YOU GO TO HER WEBSITE AND LOOK AT HER WEBSITE, SHE IS GOING TO RAISE TAXES $1.3 TRILLION. AND LOOK AT HER WEBSITE, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT IS NO DIFFERENT THAN THIS, SHE IS TELLING US HOW TO FIGHT ISIS, GO TO HER WEBSITE, SHE TELLS YOU HOW TO FIGHT ISIS ON HER WEBSITE. I DON’T THINK THE GENERAL WOULD LIKE THAT TOO MUCH.>>Hillary Clinton: AT LEAST I HAVE A PLAN TO FIGHT ISIS.>>Donald Trump: NO, NO, YOU ARE TELLING THE ENEMY EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO DO.>>Hillary Clinton: NO WE ARE NOT.>>Donald Trump: YOU ARE TELLING THE ENEMY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. NO WONDER YOU HAVE BEEN FIGHTING ISIS YOUR ENTIRE ADULT LIFE.>>Hillary Clinton: THE FACT CHECKERS, GET TO WORK.>>Lester: WE ARE UNPACKING A LOT. WE ARE ON THE ISSUE OF ACHIEVING PROSPERITY. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TAXES. THE FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU CONCERNS THE WEALTHY, SECRETARY CLINTON, YOU ARE CALLING FOR A TAX INCREASE IN THE WEALTHIEST AMERICANS. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO FURTHER DEFEND THAT AND MR. TRUMP YOU ARE CALLING FOR TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHY. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO DEFEND THAT. THE NEXT TWO MINUTE ANSWER TO YOU.>>Donald Trump: I AM CALLING FOR MAJOR JOBS, THE WEALTHY WILL CREATE TREMENDOUS JOBS. THEY WILL EXPAND THEIR COMPANIES. THEY WILL DO A TREMENDOUS JOB. I AM GETTING RID OF THE CARRIED INTEREST PROVISION, AND IF YOU LOOK, IT IS NOT A TAX — IT IS NOT A GREAT THING FOR THE WEALTHY, IT IS A GREAT THING FOR MIDDLE CLASS. IT IS A GREAT THING FOR COMPANIES TO EXPAND. AND WHEN THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PUT BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO COMPANIES, AND WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO BRING $2.5 TRILLION BACK FROM OVERSEAS, WHERE THEY CAN’T BRING THE MONEY BACK BECAUSE POLITICIANS LIKE SECRETARY CLINTON WON’T ALLOW THEM TO BRING THE MONEY BACK BECAUSE THE TAXES ARE SO ONEROUS AND THE BUREAUCRATIC RED TAPE IS SO BAD. WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS LEAVING OUR COUNTRY AND THEY ARE BELIEVE IT OR NOT LEAVING BECAUSE TAXES ARE TOO HIGH. SOME OF THEM HAVE A LOT OF MONEY OUTSIDE OF OUR COUNTRY. INSTEAD OF BRINGING IT BACK AND PUTTING THE MONEY TO WORK BECAUSE THEY CAN’T WORK OUT A DEAL TO — AND EVERYBODY AGREES IT SHOULD BE BROUGHT BACK. INSTEAD OF THAT, THEY ARE LEAVING OUR COUNTRY TO GET THEIR MONEY. BECAUSE THEY CAN’T BRING THEIR MONEY BACK INTO OUR COUNTRY. BECAUSE THE BUREAUCRATIC RED TAPE. THEY CAN’T GET TOGETHER. WE HAVE A PRESIDENT THAT CAN’T SIT THEM AROUND A TABLE AND GET THEM TO APPROVE SOMETHING. HERE IS THE THING, REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS AGREE THAT THIS SHOULD BE DONE. 2.5 TRILLION. I HAPPEN TO THINK IT IS DOUBLE THAT. IT IS PROBABLY $5 TRILLION THAT WE CAN’T BRING INTO OUR COUNTRY, LESTER, AND WITH A LITTLE LEADERSHIP, YOU WOULD GET IT IN HERE VERY QUICKLY AND IT COULD BE PUT TO USE ON THE INNER CITIES AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS. IT WOULD BE BEAUTIFUL. WE HAVE NO LEADERSHIP. HONESTLY, THAT STARTS WITH SECRETARY CLINTON.>>Lester: YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES ON THE SAME QUESTION TO DEFEND TAX INCREASES OF THE WEALTHIEST AMERICANS.>>Hillary Clinton: I HAVE A FEELING BY THE END OF THE EVENING, I WILL BE — FOR EVERYTHING.>>Donald Trump: WHY NOT?>>Hillary Clinton: JUST JOIN THE DEBATE BY SAYING MORE CRAZY THINGS.>>Donald Trump: THERE IS NOTHING CRAZY ABOUT NOT LETTING OUR COMPANIES BRING THEIR MONEY BACK INTO THEIR COUNTRY.>>Lester: THIS IS SECRETARY CLINTON’S TWO MINUTES, PLEASE.>>Hillary Clinton: LET’S START THE CLOCK AGAIN, LESTER. WE HAVE LOOKED AT YOUR TAX PROPOSALS, I DON’T SEE CHANGES IN THE CORPORATE TAX RATES OR THE KINDS OF PROPOSALS YOU ARE REFERRING TO THAT WOULD CAUSE THE REPATRIATION BRINGING BACK OF MONEY THAT IS STRANDED OVERSEAS. I HAPPEN TO SUPPORT THAT IN A WAY THAT WILL ACTUALLY WORK TO OUR BENEFIT. BUT WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT YOU HAVE PROPOSED, YOU HAVE WHAT IS CALLED NOW THE TRUMP LOOPHOLE. BECAUSE IT WOULD SO ADVANTAGE YOU AND THE BUSINESS YOU DO. YOU HAVE PROPOSED — THE TAX BENEFIT FOR YOUR FAMILY. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT — IT IS AS I SAY TRUMPED UP TRICKLE DOWN. TRICKLE DOWN DID NOT WORK. IT GOT US INTO THE MESS WE WERE IN 2008 AND 9. SLASHING TAXES ON THE WEALTHY HAS NOT WORKED AND A LOT OF SMART WEALTHY PEOPLE KNOW THAT. THEY ARE SAYING, HEY, WE NEED TO DO MORE TO MAKE THE CONTRIBUTIONS WE SHOULD BE MAKING TO REBUILD THE MIDDLE CLASS. I DON’T THINK TOP DOWN WORKS IN AMERICA. I THINK BUILDING THE MIDDLE CLASS, INVESTING IN THE MIDDLE CLASS, MAKING COLLEGE DEBT FREE SO MORE YOUNG PEOPLE CAN GET THEIR EDUCATION. HELPING PEOPLE REFINANCE THEIR DEBT FROM COLLEGE AT A LOWER RATE. THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WILL REALLY BOOST THE ECONOMY. BROAD-BASED INCLUSIVE GROWTH IS WHAT WE NEED IN AMERICA. NOT MORE ADVANTAGES FOR PEOPLE AT THE VERY TOP.>>Lester: MR. TRUMP — >>Donald Trump: ALL TALK, NO ACTION, SOUNDS GOOD, DOESN’T WORK, NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. OUR COUNTRY IS SUFFERING BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE SECRETARY CLINTON HAVE MADE SUCH BAD DECISIONS IN TERMS OF OUR JOBS, IN TERMS OF WHAT IS GOING ON. NOW, LOOK, WE HAVE THE WORST REVIVAL OF AN ECONOMY SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION. AND BELIEVE ME, WE ARE IN A BUBBLE RIGHT NOW. THE ONLY THING THAT LOOKS GOOD IS THE STOCK MARKET. IF YOU RAISE INTEREST RATES, EVEN A LITTLE BIT, THAT WILL COME CRASHING DOWN. WE ARE IN A BIG, FAT UGLY BUBBLE. WE BETTER BE AWFULLY CAREFUL AND WE HAVE A FED THAT IS DOING POLITICAL THINGS, THIS JANET YELLIN OF THE FED. THEY ARE DOING A POLITICAL THING BY KEEPING THE INTEREST RATES AT THIS LEVEL. WHEN BARAK OBAMA LEAVES AND GOES TO THE GOLF COURSE FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE TO PLAY GOLF. WHEN THEY RAISE INTEREST RATES, WE WILL SEE BAD THINGS HAPPEN. THE FED IS NOT DOING THEIR JOB. THE FED IS BEING MORE POLITICAL THAN SECRETARY CLINTON.>>Lester: MR. TRUMP, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE BURDEN THAT AMERICANS HAVE TO PAY. YOU HAVE NOT RELEASED YOUR TAX RETURNS. THE NOMINEES HAVE RELEASED THEIR RETURNS FOR DECADES IS SO VOTERS WILL KNOW IF THE POTENTIAL PRESIDENT OWES MONEY, AND WHO TO AND ANY BUSINESS CONFLICTS. DON’T AMERICANS HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW IF THERE ARE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST?>>Donald Trump: I AM UNDER A ROUTINE AUDIT. IT WILL BE RELEASED. AS SOON AS THE AUDIT IS FINISHED. IT WILL BE RELEASED. YOU WILL KNOW MORE ABOUT DONALD TRUMP BY GOING TO THE FEDERAL ELECTIONS WHERE I FILED A 104 PAGE, ESSENTIALLY FINANCIAL STATEMENT OF SORTS, THE FORMS THAT THEY HAVE, IT SHOWS INCOME, IN FACT THE INCOME, I JUST LOOKED TODAY, THE INCOME IS FILED AT $694 MILLION FOR THIS PAST YEAR. 694 MILLION. IF YOU TOLD ME I WOULD MAKE THAT 15 OR 20 YEARS AGO, I WOULD BE VERY SURPRISED. THAT IS THE KIND OF THINKING OUR COUNTRY NEEDS. WHEN WE HAVE A COUNTRY THAT IS BEING RIPPED OFF BY EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, IT IS THE KIND OF THINKING THAT OUR COUNTRY NEEDS BECAUSE EVERYBODY, LESTER, WE HAVE A TRADE DEFICIT WITH ALL OF THE COUNTRIES THAT WE DO BUSINESS WITH, OF ALMOST $800 BILLION A YEAR. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS, THAT MEANS WHO IS NEGOTIATING THESE TRADE DEALS? WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE POLITICAL HACKS NEGOTIATING OUR TRADE DEALS.>>Lester: THE IRS SAID THE AUDIT OF YOUR TAXES, YOU ARE PERFECTLY FREE TO RELEASE YOUR TAXES DURING AN AUDIT. DOES THE PUBLIC RIGHT TO KNOW OUT WEIGH YOUR PERSONAL >>Donald Trump: I WILL RELEASE THEM AFTER THE AUDIT. I KNOW A LOT OF WEALTHY PEOPLE WHO WERE AUDITED. I HAVE BEEN AUDITED ALMOST EVERY YEAR. I AM NOT COMPLAINING. I DON’T MIND IT. IT IS A WAY OF LIFE. I WILL SAY THIS, WE HAVE A SITUATION IN THIS COUNTRY, THAT HAS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. I WILL RELEASE MY TAX RETURNS AGAINST MY LAWYER’S WISHES. WHEN SHE RELEASES HER 33,000 E-MAILS THAT HAVE BEEN DELETED. AS SOON AS SHE RELEASES THEM, I WILL RELEASE — I WILL RELEASE MY TAX RETURNS. THAT IS AGAINST MY LAWYERS, THEY SAY DON’T DO IT. I WILL TELL THIS, WATCHING THE SHOWS, READING THE PAPERS, ALMOST EVERYONE SAYS YOU DON’T RELEASE THE RETURNS UNTIL THE AUDIT IS COMPLETE. WHEN IT IS COMPLETE, I WILL DO IT. I WOULD GO AGAINST THEM IF SHE RELEASES HER E-MAILS.>>Lester: NEGOTIABLE?>>Donald Trump: WHY DID SHE DELETE 33,000 — >>Lester: I WILL LET HER ANSWER. I WILL ADMONISH THE AUDIENCE. WE ASK YOU TO BE SILENT. SECRETARY CLINTON.>>Hillary Clinton: YOU HAVE SEEN AN EXAMPLE OF BAIT AND SWITCH HERE. FOR 40 YEARS, EVERYONE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT HAS RELEASED THEIR TAX RETURNS. YOU CAN GO AND SEE REALLY, I THINK, 39, 40 YEARS OF OUR TAX RETURNS. EVERYONE HAS DONE IT. WE KNOW THE IRS HAS MADE CLEAR, THERE IS NO PROHIBITION ON RELEASING IT WHEN YOU ARE UNDER AUDIT. YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF, WHY WON’T HE RELEASE HIS TAX RETURNS. THERE MAY BE A COUPLE OF REASONS, FIRST, MAYBE HE IS NOT AS RICH AS HE SAYS HE IS. SECOND, MAYBE HE IS NOT AS CHARITABLE AS HE CLAIMS TO BE. THIRD, WE DON’T KNOW ALL OF HIS BUSINESS DEALINGS, BUT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THROUGH INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING THAT HE OWES ABOUT $650 MILLION TO WALL STREET AND FOREIGN BANKS. OR MAYBE, HE DOESN’T WANT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, ALL OF YOU WATCHING TONIGHT, TO KNOW THAT HE IS PAID NOTHING IN FEDERAL TAXES. THE ONLY YEARS THAT ANYBODY HAS EVER SEEN WERE A COUPLE OF YEARS WHEN HE HAD TO TURN THEM OVER TO STATE AUTHORITIES WHEN HE WAS TRYING TO GET A CASINO LICENCE AND THEY SHOWED HE DIDN’T PAY ANY FEDERAL INCOME TAX. THAT MEANS ZERO FOR TROOPS, ZERO FOR VETS, ZERO FOR SCHOOLS OR HEALTH. I THINK PROBABLY HE IS NOT THAT ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT HAVING THE REST OF OUR COUNTRY SEE WHAT THE REAL REASONS ARE BECAUSE IT MUST BE SOMETHING REALLY IMPORTANT, EVEN TERRIBLE THAT HE IS TRYING TO HIDE. AND THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE STATEMENTS, THEY DON’T GIVE YOU THE TAX RATE. THEY DON’T GIVE YOU ALL THE DETAILS THE TAX RETURNS WOULD. IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE TO SEE. I HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT HE IS EVER GOING TO RELEASE HIS TAX RETURNS BECAUSE THERE IS SOMETHING HE IS HIDING. WE WILL GUESS, WE WILL KEEP GUESSING WHAT HE MAY BE HIDING. I THINK THE QUESTION IS, WERE HE EVER TO GET NEAR THE WHITE HOUSE, WHAT WOULD BE THE CONFLICTS? WHO DOES HE OWE MONEY TO? WELL, HE OWES, YOU ANSWER IS THE ANSWER TO THAT. HE SHOULD PROVIDE THEM.>>Lester: HE RAISED THE ISSUE OF YOUR E-MAILS. DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT?>>Hillary Clinton: I DO. I MADE A MISTAKE USING A PRIVATE E-MAIL. IF I HAD TO DO IT AGAIN, I WOULD DO IT DIFFERENTLY. I WILL NOT MAKE EXCUSES. IT WAS A MISTAKE AND I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.>>Lester: MR. TRUMP.>>Donald Trump: THAT WAS MORE THAN A MISTAKE. THAT WAS DONE PURPOSELY. THAT WAS NOT A MISTAKE. THAT WAS DONE PURPOSELY. WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR STAFF TAKING THE FIFTH AMENDMENT, TAKING THE FIFTH SO THEY ARE NOT PROSECUTED, WHEN YOU HAVE THE MAN THAT SET UP THE ILLEGAL SERVER TAKING THE FIFTH, I THINK IT IS DISGRACEFUL. AND BELIEVE ME, THIS COUNTRY REALLY THINKS IT IS DISGRACEFUL ALSO. AS FAR AS MY TAX RETURNS, YOU DON’T LEARN MUCH FROM TAX RETURNS. I CAN TELL YOU. YOU LEARN A LOT FROM FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE. YOU SHOULD GO DOWN AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. THE OTHER THING, I AM EXTREMELY UNDER LEVERAGED. THE REPORT THAT SAID 650 BY THE WAY, A LOT OF FRIENDS OF MINE THAT KNOW MY BUSINESS SAY, THAT’S NOT A LOT OF MONEY. IT IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY. THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE IN QUESTION, THEY ARE IN THE SAME REPORT, ACTUALLY IT WASN’T A BAD STORY TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THE BUILDINGS ARE WORTH $3.9 BILLION. AND THE 650 IS NOT EVEN THAT. IT IS NOT 650. IT IS MUCH LESS THAN THAT. I COULD GIVE YOU A LIST OF BANKS IF THAT WOULD HELP YOU. I WOULD GIVE YOU A LIST OF BANKS. THESE ARE FINE INSTITUTIONS, VERY FINE BANKS. I CAN DO THAT QUICKLY. I AM VERY UNDER LEVERAGED. I HAVE A GREAT COMPANY AND A TREMENDOUS INCOME. THE REASON I SAY THAT IS NOT BRAGGING, IT IS BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT TIME THAT THIS COUNTRY HAD SOMEBODY RUNNING IT THAT HAS AN IDEA ABOUT MONEY. WE HAVE $20 TRILLION IN DEBT. OUR COUNTRY IS A MESS. IT IS ONE THING TO HAVE 20 TRILLION IN DEBTS AND OUR ROADS ARE GOOD AND OUR BRIDGES ARE GOOD AND EVERYTHING IS IN GREAT SHAPE, OUR AIRPORTS, OUR AIRPORTS ARE LIKE FROM A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY. YOU LAND AT KENNEDY, YOU LAND AT LAX AND NEWARK. YOU COME IN FROM DUBAI AND QATAR AND YOU SEE THIS INCREDIBLE, AND CHINA, YOU SEE INCREDIBLE AIRPORTS. YOU LAND — WE HAVE BECOME A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY. SO THE WORST OF ALL THINGS THAT HAPPENED, WE OWE $20 TRILLION, AND WE ARE A MESS. WE HAVEN’T EVEN STARTED. AND WE HAVE SPENT $6 TRILLION IN THE MIDDLE EAST ACCORDING TO A REPORT THAT I JUST SAW. WHETHER IT IS 6 OR 5, IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS 6. $6 TRILLION IN THE MIDDLE EAST. WE COULD HAVE REBUILT OUR COUNTRY TWICE. AND IT IS REALLY A SHAME. IT IS POLITICIANS LIKE SECRETARY CLINTON THAT HAVE CAUSED THIS PROBLEM. OUR COUNTRY HAS TREMENDOUS PROBLEMS. WE ARE A DEBTOR NATION, A SERIOUS DEBTOR NATION. WE HAVE A COUNTRY THAT NEEDS NEW BRIDGES, ROADS, SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS. WE DON’T HAVE THE MONEY BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN SQUANDERED ON YOUR IDEAS.>>Hillary Clinton: MAYBE IT IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT PAID ANY FEDERAL INCOME TAX FOR A LOT OF YEARS. AND THE OTHER THING I THINK IS IMPORTANT — >>Donald Trump: IT WOULD BE SQUANDERED.>>Hillary Clinton: IF YOUR CLAIM TO BE PRESIDENT IS YOUR BUSINESS, WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THAT. YOU KNOW, YOUR CAMPAIGN MANAGER SAID THAT YOU BUILT A LOT OF BUSINESSES ON THE BACKS OF LITTLE GUYS. AND INDEED, I HAVE MET A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE STIFFED BY YOU AND YOUR BUSINESSES, DONALD. I HAVE MET DISH WASHERS, PAINTERS, ARCHITECTS, GLASS INSTALLERS, MARBLE INSTALLERS, DRAPERY INSTALLERS LIKE MY DAD WAS WHO YOU REFUSE TO PAY WHEN THEY FINISHED THE WORK. THAT YOU ASKED THEM TO DO. WE HAVE AN ARCHITECT IN THE AUDIENCE WHO DESIGNED ONE OF YOUR CLUBHOUSES AT ONE OF YOUR GOLF COURSES. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL FACILITY. IT IMMEDIATELY WAS PUT TO USE. AND YOU WOULDN’T PAY WHAT THE MAN NEEDED TO BE PAID, WHAT HE WAS CHARGING.>>Donald Trump: MAYBE HE DID NOT DO A GOOD JOB AND I WAS UNSATISFIED WITH HIS WORK. WHICH THE COUNTRY SHOULD DO.>>Hillary Clinton: THERE ARE THOUSAND OF PEOPLE YOU STIFFED NOT DESERVE SOME KIND OF APOLOGY FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS TAKEN THEIR LABOUR, TAKEN THE GOODS THAT THEY PRODUCED AND THEN REFUSED TO PAY THEM. I CAN ONLY SAY THAT I AM CERTAINLY RELIEVED THAT MY LATE FATHER NEVER DID BUSINESS WITH YOU. HE PROVIDED A GOOD MIDDLE CLASS LIFE FOR US. THE PEOPLE HE WORKED FOR, HE EXPECTED THE BARGAIN TO BE KEPT ON BOTH SIDES. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS, YOU HAVE TAKEN BUSINESS BANKRUPTCY 6 TIMES. THERE ARE A LOT OF GREAT BUSINESS PEOPLE THAT HAVE NEVER TAKEN BANKRUPTCY ONCE. YOU CALL YOURSELF THE KING OF DEBT. YOU TALK ABOUT LEVERAGE, YOU EVEN AT ONE TIME SUGGESTED THAT YOU WOULD TRY TO NEGOTIATE DOWN THE NATIONAL DEBT OF THE UNITED STATES. WELL, SOMETIMES, THERE IS NOT A DIRECT TRANSFER OF SKILLS FROM BUSINESS TO GOVERNMENT, BUT SOMETIMES WHAT HAPPENED IN BUSINESS WOULD BE REALLY BAD FOR GOVERNMENT.>>Donald Trump: I THINK — LOOK, IT IS ALL WORDS. IT IS ALL SOUND BITES. I BUILT AN UNBELIEVABLE COMPANY. SOME OF THE GREATEST ASSETS ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, REAL ESTATE ASSETS ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD BEYOND THE UNITED STATES AND EUROPE, A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES. IT IS AN UNBELIEVABLE COMPANY. BUT ON OCCASION, FOUR TIMES, WE USED CERTAIN LAWS THAT ARE THERE AND WHEN SECRETARY CLINTON TALKS ABOUT PEOPLE THAT DIDN’T GET PAID, FIRST OF ALL, THEY DID GET PAID A LOT. BUT TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THE LAWS OF THE NATION. IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE LAWS, YOU HAVE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME, CHANGE THE LAWS. I TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE LAWS OF THE NATION BECAUSE I AM RUNNING A COMPANY. MY OBLIGATION RIGHT NOW IS TO DO WELL FOR MYSELF, MY FAMILY, MY EMPLOYEES, FOR MY COMMENTS. THAT’S WHAT I DO. WHAT SHE DOES NOT SAY THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE UNBELIEVEABLY HAPPY AND THAT LOVE ME. I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. WE ARE JUST OPENING UP ON PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE, RIGHT NEXT TO THE WHITE HOUSE, IF I DON’T GET THERE ONE WAY, I WILL GET TO PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE ANOTHER. BUT WE ARE OPENING THE OLD POST OFFICE. UNDER BUDGET, AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. SAVE TREMENDOUS MONEY. I AM A YEAR AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. THAT’S WHAT THIS COUNTRY SHOULD BE DOING. WE BUILD ROADS, OF COURSE, TWO AND THREE AND FOUR TIMES WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO COST. WE BUY PRODUCTS FOR OUR MILITARY AND THEY ARE SO FAR ABOVE THE COSTS. WE DON’T HAVE PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BUDGET, IT IS BAD TO A LARGE EXTENT, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO IDEA AS TO WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO BUY. THE TRUMP INTERNATIONAL IS WAY UNDER BUDGET AND WAY AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT FOR OUR COUNTRY.>>Lester: WE ARE BEHIND SCHEDULE. I WILL MOVE TO THE NEXT SEGMENT TALKING ABOUT AMERICA’S DIRECTION. LET’S TALK ABOUT RACE. A SHARE OF AMERICANS WHO SAY RACE RELATIONS ARE BAD IN THIS COUNTRY IS THE HIGHEST IT HAS BEEN IN DECADES. MUCH OF IT AMPLEIFIED BY SHOOTING OF AFRICAN AMERICANS BY POLICE. AS WE SAW RECENTLY IN CHARLOTTE AND TULSA. RACE HAS BEEN A BIG ISSUE IN THE CAMPAIGN. ONE OF YOU IS GOING TO HAVE TO BRIDGE A VERY WIDE AND BITTER GAP. HOW DO YOU HEAL THE DIVIDE? SECRETARY CLINTON, YOU GET TWO MINUTES ON THIS.>>Hillary Clinton: YOU ARE RIGHT. RACE REMAINS A SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGE IN OUR COUNTRY. UNFORTUNATELY RACE DETERMINES TOO MUCH. OFTEN DETERMINES WHERE PEOPLE LIVE. DETERMINES WHAT KIND OF EDUCATION IN THEIR PUBLIC SCHOOLS THEY CAN GET. AND YES, IT DETERMINES HOW THEY ARE TREATED IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. WE HAVE JUST SEEN THE TWO TRAGIC EXAMPLES IN BOTH TULSA AND CHARLOTTE. AND WE HAVE TO DO SEVERAL THINGS AT THE SAME TIME. WE HAVE TO RESTORE TRUST BETWEEN COMMUNITIES AND THE POLICE. WE HAVE TO WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR POLICE ARE USING THE BEST TRAINING, THE BEST TECHNIQUES, THAT THEY ARE WELL PREPARED TO USE FORCE ONLY WHEN NECESSARY. EVERYONE SHOULD BE RESPECTED BY THE LAW AND EVERYONE SHOULD RESPECT THE LAW. RIGHT NOW, THAT’S NOT THE CASE IN A LOT OF OUR NEIGHBOURHOOD. SO I HAVE EVER SINCE THE FIRST DAY OF MY CAMPAIGN CALLED FOR CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM. I HAVE LAID OUT A PLATFORM THAT I THINK WOULD BEGIN TO REMEDY SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. WE ALSO HAVE TO RECOGNIZE IN ADDITION TO THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE WITH POLICING, THERE ARE SO MANY GOOD POLICE OFFICERS WHO EQUALLY WANT REFORM. SO WE HAVE TO BRING COMMUNITIES TOGETHER IN ORDER TO BEGIN WORKING ON THAT AS A MUTUAL GOAL. WE HAVE TO GET GUNS OUT OF THE HANDS OF PEOPLE WHO SHOULD NOT HAVE THEM. THE GUN EPIDEMIC IS THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH OF YOUNG AFRICAN-AMERICAN MEN. MORE THAN THE NEXT 9 CLAUSES PUT TOGETHER. WE HAVE TO DO TWO THINGS. WE HAVE TO RESTORE TRUST, WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE POLICE, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY RESPECT THE COMMUNITIES AND THE COMMUNITIES RESPECT THEM. AND WE HAVE TO TACKLE THE PLAGUE OF GUN VIOLENCE WHICH IS A BIG CONTRIBUTOR TO A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE ARE SEEING TODAY.>>Lester: MR. TRUMP, HOW DO YOU HEAL THE DIVIDE?>>Donald Trump: SECRETARY CLINTON DOESN’T WANT TO USE A COUPLE OF WORDS. THAT IS LAW AND ORDER. WE NEED LAW AND ORDER. IF WE DON’T HAVE IT, WE WILL NOT HAVE A COUNTRY. AND WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING ON IN CHARLOTTE, THE CITY I LOVE, THE CITY WHERE I HAVE INVESTMENTS, WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING ON THROUGHOUT VARIOUS PARTS OF OUR COUNTRY AND WHETHER IT — I CAN JUST KEEP NAMING THEM ALL DAY LONG. WE NEED LAW AND ORDER IN OUR COUNTRY. I JUST GOT TODAY THE — AS YOU KNOW THE ENDORSEMENT OF THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE, IT JUST CAME IN. WE HAVE ENDORSEMENTS FROM I THINK ALMOST EVERY POLICE GROUP. A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THEM IN THE UNITED STATES. WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE OUR INNER CITIES, AFRICAN AMERICANS, HISPANICS ARE LIVING IN HELL BECAUSE IT IS SO DANGEROUS. YOU WALK DOWN THE STREET, YOU GET SHOT. IN CHICAGO, THEY HAVE HAD THOUSANDS OF SHOOTINGS, THOUSANDS SINCE JANUARY 1ST. THOUSANDS OF SHOOTINGS. AND IS THIS A WAR-TORN COUNTRY? WHAT ARE WE DOING? WE HAVE TO STOP THE VIOLENCE. WE HAVE TO BRING BACK LAW AND ORDER IN A PLACE LIKE CHICAGO WHERE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE — THOUSANDS OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS. IN FACT ALMOST 4,000 HAVE BEEN KILLED SINCE BARAK OBAMA BECAME PRESIDENT. ALMOST 4,000 PEOPLE IN CHICAGO HAVE BEEN KILLED. WE HAVE TO BRING BACK LAW AND ORDER. NOW, WHETHER OR NOT IN A PLACE LIKE CHICAGO YOU DO STOP AND FRISK WHICH WORKED WELL, THE MAYOR GUILIANI IS HERE, IT BROUGHT THE CRIME RATE WAY DOWN. YOU TAKE THE GUN AWAY FROM CRIMINALS THAT SHOULDN’T BE HAVING IT. WE HAVE GANGS ROAMING THE STREET, AND IN MANY CASES, THEY ARE ILLEGALLY HERE. THEY ARE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. THEY HAVE GUNS AND SHOOT PEOPLE. WE HAVE TO BE STRONG. WE HAVE TO BE VERY VIGILANT. WE HAVE TO — WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING. RIGHT NOW, OUR POLICE IN MANY CASES ARE AFRAID TO DO ANYTHING. WE HAVE TO PROTECT OUR INNER CITIES BECAUSE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITIES ARE BEING DECIMATED BY CRIME.>>Lester: YOUR TWO MINUTES EXPIRED. I WANT TO FOLLOW UP, STOP AND FRISK IS RULED UNCONSTITUTIONAL IN NEW YORK BECAUSE IS LARGELY SINGLED OUT BLACK AND HISPANIC YOUNG MEN.>>Donald Trump: YOU ARE WRONG. IT WENT BEFORE A JUDGE WHO IS VERY AGAINST POLICE JUDGE. IT WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM HER AND OUR MAYOR, OUR NEW MAYOR WHO REFUSED TO GO FORWARD WITH THE CASE WOULD HAVE WON ON APPEAL. IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, THERE ARE MANY PLACES — >>Lester: THE ARGUMENT IS IT IS A FORM OF RACIAL PROFILE.>>Donald Trump: WE HAVE TO TAKE THE GUNS AWAY FROM BAD PEOPLE WHO HAVE THEM. THESE ARE FELONIES THAT ARE BAD PEOPLE THAT SHOULDN’T BE — WHEN YOU HAVE 3,000 SHOOTINGS IN CHICAGO, FROM JANUARY 1ST, WHEN YOU HAVE 4,000 PEOPLE KILLED IN CHICAGO BY GUNS FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESIDENCY OF BARAK OBAMA, YOU HAVE TO STOP AND FRISK. YOU NEED MORE POLICE. YOU NEED A BETTER COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, RELATIONS. YOU DON’T HAVE GOOD COMMUNITY RELATIONS IN CHICAGO, IT IS TERRIBLE. I HAVE PROPERTY THERE. IT IS TERRIBLE WHAT IS GOING ON IN CHICAGO. WHEN YOU LOOK — CHICAGO IS NOT THE ONLY ONE. YOU GO TO FERGUSON AND OTHER PLACES. YOU NEED BETTER RELATIONSHIPS, I AGREE WITH SECRETARY CLINTON, YOU NEED BETTER RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN THE COMMUNITIES AND THE POLICE. IN SOME CASES IT IS NOT GOOD. YOU LOOK AT DALLAS, WHERE THE RELATIONSHIPS WERE STUDIED, THE RELATIONSHIPS WERE REALLY A BEAUTIFUL THING, AND THEN FIVE POLICE OFFICERS WERE KILLED ONE NIGHT VERY VIOLENTLY. THERE ARE BAD THINGS GOING ON. REALLY BAD THINGS. LESTER, WE NEED LAW AND ORDER. WE NEED LAW AND ORDER IN THE INNER CITIES BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOST AFFECTED BY WHAT IS HAPPENING ARE AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND HISPANIC PEOPLE. IT IS VERY UNFAIR TO THEM WHAT OUR POLITICIANS ARE ALLOWING TO HAPPEN.>>Lester: SECRETARY CLINTON.>>Hillary Clinton: WELL, I HAVE HEARD DONALD SAY THIS AT HIS RALLIES AND IT IS REALLY UNFORTUNATE THAT HE PAINTS SUCH A DIRE, NEGATIVE PICTURE OF BLACK COMMUNITIES IN OUR COUNTRY. THE VIBRANCY OF THE BLACK CHURCH, THE BLACK BUSINESSES THAT EMPLOY SO MANY PEOPLE, THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT SO MANY FAMILIES ARE WORKING TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR KIDS. THERE IS A LOT THAT WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF, AND WE SHOULD BE SUPPORTING AND LIFTING UP. BUT WE DO ALWAYS HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP PEOPLE SAFE. THERE ARE THE RIGHT WAYS OF DOING IT AND THEN THERE ARE WAYS THAT ARE INEFFECTIVE. STOP AND FRISK WAS FOUND TO BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL. AND IN PART BECAUSE IT WAS INEFFECTIVE. IT DID NOT DO WHAT IT NEEDED TO DO. NOW, I BELIEVE IN COMMUNITY POLICING. AND IN FACT, VIOLENT CRIME IS 1-HALF OF WHAT IT WAS IN 1991. PROPERTY CRIME IS DOWN 40%. WE JUST DON’T WANT TO SEE IT CREEP BACK UP. WE HAD 25 YEARS OF GOOD COOPERATION. TOO MANY MEN ENDED UP IN JAIL FOR NON-VIOLENT OFFENCES. IT IS JUST A FACT IF YOU ARE A YOUNG AFRICAN-AMERICAN MAN AND YOU DO THE SAME THING AS A YOUNG WHITE MAN, YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE ARRESTED, CHARGED, CONVICTED, AND INCARCERATED. WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THE SYSTEMIC RACISM IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. WE CANNOT JUST SAY LAW AND ORDER, WE HAVE TO COME FORWARD WITH A PLAN THAT IS GOING TO DIVERT PEOPLE FROM THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, DEAL WITH MANDATORY MINIMUM SENTENCES WHICH HAVE PUT TOO MANY PEOPLE AWAY FOR TOO LONG FOR DOING TOO LITTLE. WE NEED TO HAVE MORE SECOND CHANCE PROGRAMS. I AM GLAD THAT WE ARE ENDING PRIVATE PRISONS IN THE FEDERAL SYSTEM. I WANT TO SEE THEM ENDED IN THE STATE SYSTEM. WE SHOULDN’T HAVE A PROFIT MOTIVATION TO FILL PRISON CELLS WITH YOUNG AMERICANS. THERE ARE SOME POSITIVE WAYS WE CAN WORK ON THIS. I BELIEVE STRONGLY THAT COMMON SENSE GUN SAFETY MEASURES WOULD ASSIST US. RIGHT NOW, AND THIS IS SOMETHING DONALD HAS SUPPORTED ALONG WITH THE GUN LOBBY RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE TOO MANY MILITARY-STYLE WEAPONS ON THE STREETS. IN A LOT OF PLACES OUR POLICE ARE OUT GUNNED. WE NEED COMPREHENSIVE BACKGROUND ECONOMICS AND WE NEED TO KEEP GUNS OUT OF THE HANDS OF THOSE WHO WILL DO HARM AND WE FINALLY NEED TO PASS A PROHIBITION ON ANYONE WHO IS ON THE TERRORIST WATCH LIST FROM BEING ABLE TO BUY A GUN IN OUR COUNTRY. IF YOU ARE TOO DANGEROUS TO FLY, YOU ARE TOO DANGEROUS TO BUY A GUN. THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO AND OUGHT TO DO IT IN A BIPARTISAN WAY.>>Lester: LAST WEEK YOU SAID WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO IMPROVE POLICING — DO YOU BELIEVE THE POLICE ARE IMPLICITLY BIASSED AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE.>>Hillary Clinton: I THINK IT IS A PROBLEM WITH EVERYONE, NOT JUST POLICE. I THINK UNFORTUNATELY TOO MANY OF US IN OUR GREAT COUNTRY JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS ABOUT EACH OTHER. AND THEREFORE I THINK WE NEED ALL OF US TO BE ASKING HARD QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY AM I FEELING THIS WAY. WHEN IT COMES TO POLICING, SINCE IT CAN HAVE LITERALLY FATAL CONSEQUENCES, I HAVE SAID IN MY FIRST BUDGET, WE WOULD PUT MONEY INTO THAT BUDGET TO HELP US DEAL WITH IMPLICIT BIAS BY RETRAINING A LOT OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS. I HAVE MET WITH A GROUP OF VERY DISTINGUISHED EXPERIENCED POLICE CHIEFS A FEW WEEKS AGO. THEY ADMIT IT IS AN ISSUE. THEY HAVE A LOT OF CONCERN. MENTAL HEALTH IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS BECAUSE NOW POLICE ARE HAVING TO HANDLE A LOT OF REALLY DIFFICULT MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS ON THE STREET. THEY WANT SUPPORT. THEY WANT MORE TRAINING, THEY WANT MORE ASSISTANCE. AND I THINK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COULD BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE WOULD OFFER AND PROVIDE THAT.>>Donald Trump: I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND. FIRST OF ALL, I AGREE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE EVEN WITHIN MY EMPLOY WANT TO GIVE CERTAIN RIGHTS TO PEOPLE ON WATCH LISTS AND NO FLY LISTS. I AGREE WITH YOU. WHEN A PERSON IS ON A WATCH LIST OR A NO-FLY LIST AND I HAVE THE ENDORSEMENT OF THE NRA WHICH I AM PROUD OF. THESE ARE GOOD PEOPLE AND ARE PROTECTING THE SECOND AMENDMENT. I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK VERY STRONGLY AT NO FLY LISTS AND WATCH LISTS AND WHEN PEOPLE ARE ON THERE, EVEN IF SHOULDN’T BE ON THERE, WE WILL HELP THEM LEGALLY GET OFF. I AGREE WITH THAT STRONGLY. I WANT TO BRING UP THE FACT THAT YOU WERE THE ONE THAT BROUGHT UP SUPER PREDATOR ABOUT YOUNG BLACK YOUTH. THAT IS A TERM THAT I THINK WAS A — IT HAS BEEN HORRIBLY — YOU HAVE APOLOGIZED FOR IT. I THINK IT WAS A TERRIBLE THING TO SAY. WHEN IT COMES TO — YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT TAKING GUNS AWAY. I AM TALKING ABOUT TAKING GUNS AWAY FROM GANGS AND PEOPLE THAT USE THEM. I DON’T THINK YOU DISAGREE WITH ME ON THIS, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH, I THINK MAYBE THERE IS A POLITICAL REASON WHY YOU CAN’T SAY IT. IN NEW YORK CITY, STOP AND FRISK, WE HAD 2,200 MURDERS AND STOP AND FRISK BROUGHT IT DOWN TO 500 MURDERS. 500 MURDERS IS A LOT OF MURDERS. WE WENT TO 500. IT WAS CONTINUED BY MAYOR BLOOMBERG AND TERMINATED BY THE CURRENT MAYOR. STOP AND FRISK HAD AN IMPACT ON THE SAFETY OF NEW YORK CITY. TREMENDOUS BEYOND BELIEF. WHEN YOU SAY IT HAS NO IMPACT. IT REALLY DID. IT HAD A BIG IMPACT.>>Hillary Clinton: IT IS FAIR TO SAY IF WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT MAYORS THAT UNDER THE CURRENT MAYOR CRIME HAS CONTINUED TO DROP INCLUDING MURDERS. NEW YORK HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB. I GIVE CREDIT ACROSS THE BOARD GOING BACK TO MAYORS AND POLICE CHIEFS. IT HAS WORKED. OTHER COMMUNITIES NEED TO COME TOGETHER TO DO WHAT WILL WORK AS WELL. LOOK ONE MURDER IS TOO MANY. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE LEARN ABOUT WHAT HAS BEEN EFFECTIVE AND NOT GO TO THINGS THAT SOUND GOOD THAT REALLY DID NOT HAVE THE KIND OF IMPACT THAT WE WOULD WANT. WHO DISAGREES WITH KEEPING NEIGHBOURHOODS SAFE. LET’S ALSO ADD, NO ONE SHOULD DISAGREE ABOUT RESPECTING THE RIGHTS OF YOUNG MEN WHO LIVE IN THOSE NEIGHBOURHOODS. SO WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF WORKING AGAIN WITH THE COMMUNITIES, FAITH COMMUNITIES, BUSINESS COMMUNITIES, AS WELL AS THE POLICE TO TRY TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS.>>Lester: THIS CONVERSATION IS ABOUT RACE. MR. TRUMP — >>Donald Trump: I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND.>>Lester: PLEASE RESPOND.>>Donald Trump: THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY HAS BEEN LET DOWN BY POLITICIANS. THEY TALK GOOD AROUND ELECTION TIME AND AFTER THE ELECTION, THEY SAY SEE YOU LATER, WE WILL SEE YOU IN FOUR YEARS. THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN — LOOK, THE COMMUNITY WITHIN THE INNER CITIES HAS BEEN SO BADLY TREATED, THEY HAVE BEEN ABUSED AND USED IN ORDER TO GET VOTES BY DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT IT IS. THEY HAVE CONTROLLED THE COMMUNITIES FOR UP TO 100 YEARS.>>Lester: MR. TRUMP — >>Donald Trump: I WILL TELL YOU, YOU LOOK AT THE INNER CITIES, I LEFT DETROIT AND PHILADELPHIA, I HAVE BEEN ALL OVER THE PLACE. YOU DECIDED TO STAY HOME. THAT’S OKAY. I WILL TELL YOU, I HAVE BEEN ALL OVER. I HAVE MET SOME OF THE GREATEST PEOPLE I WILL EVER MEET WITHIN THESE COMMUNITIES. THEY ARE VERY, VERY UPSET WITH WHAT THEIR POLITICIANS HAVE TOLD THEM AND WHAT THEIR POLITICIANS HAVE DONE.>>Hillary Clinton: I THINK DONALD JUST CRITICIZED ME FOR PREPARING FOR THIS DEBATE. AND YES, I DID. YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE I PREPARED FOR. I PREPARED TO BE PRESIDENT. AND I THINK THAT’S A GOOD THING.>>Lester: MR. TRUMP, FOR FIVE YEARS, YOU PERPETUATED A FALSE CLAIM THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS NOT AN AMERICAN BORN CITIZEN. YOU ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS BORN IN THE UNITED STATES. CAN YOU TELL US WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG?>>Donald Trump: JUST SIMPLE TO SAY, WORKING FOR THE CAMPAIGN, A VERY CLOSE FRIEND OF SECRETARY CLINTON, AND HER CAMPAIGN MANAGER PATTY DOYLE WENT TO — DURING HER CAMPAIGN AGAINST PRESIDENT OBAMA, FOUGHT VERY HARD AND YOU CAN LOOK IT UP AND YOU CAN CHECK IT OUT AND IF YOU LOOK AT CNN THIS PAST WEEK, SHE WAS ON WOLF BLITZER SAYING THIS HAPPENED. A HIGHLY RESPECTED REPORTER WAS SENT TO KENYA TO FIND OUT ABOUT IT. THEY WERE PRESSING HARD. SHE FAILED TO GET THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE. WHEN I GOT INVOLVED, I DID NOT FAIL. I GOT HIM TO GIVE THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE. I AM SATISFIED WITH IT. I WILL TELL YOU WHY I AM SATISFIED WITH IT. I WANT TO GET ON TO DEFEATING ISIS. I WANT TO GET ON TO CREATING JOBS. I WANT TO GETTING ON TO HAVE A STRONG BORDER. I WANT TO GET ON TO THINGS THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO ME AND THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO THE COUNTRY.>>Lester: I WILL LET YOU RESPOND. I WANT TO GET THE ANSWER HERE. THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE WAS PRODUCED IN 2011. YOU CONTINUED TO TELL THE STORY AND QUESTION THE PRESIDENT’S LEGITIMACY IN 2012, 2013, 2014, AND AS RECENTLY AS JANUARY. WHAT CHANGED YOUR MIND?>>Donald Trump: NOBODY WAS PRESSING IT AND NOBODY WAS CARING MUCH ABOUT IT. I FIGURED YOU WOULD ASK THE QUESTION. NOBODY WAS CARING MUCH ABOUT IT. I WAS THE ONE THAT GOT HIM TO PRODUCE THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE. I THINK I DID A GOOD JOB. SECRETARY CLINTON ALSO FOUGHT IT. I MEAN, NOW EVERYBODY — SHE WILL SAY THAT IS NOT TRUE. IT IS TRUE. THE REPORTER WAS SENT. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT CNN, LAST WEEK, THE INTERVIEW WITH YOUR FORMER CAMPAIGN MANAGER AND SHE WAS INVOLVED. JUST LIKE SHE CAN’T BRING BACK JOBS, SHE CAN’T PRODUCE.>>Lester: I WILL LET YOU TO RESPOND. THERE IS A LOT THERE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RACIAL HEALING IN THE SEGMENT. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO AMERICANS — >>Donald Trump: I SAY NOTHING BECAUSE I GOT HIM TO PRODUCE IT. HE SHOULD HAVE PRODUCED IT A LONG TIME BEFORE. I SAY NOTHING. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT HEALING, I THINK THAT I HAVE DEVELOPED VERY, VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIPS OVER THE LAST LITTLE WHILE WITH THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY. YOU CAN SEE THAT. AND I FEEL THAT THEY REALLY WANTED ME TO COME TO THAT CONCLUSION AND I THINK I DID A GREAT JOB AND A GREAT SERVICE, NOT ONLY FOR THE COUNTRY BUT EVEN FOR THE PRESIDENT IN GETTING HIM TO PRODUCE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE.>>Lester: SECRETARY CLINTON.>>Hillary Clinton: JUST LISTEN TO WHAT YOU HEAR. HE TRIED TO PUT THE WHOLE RACIST BIRTHER LIE TO BED. IT CAN’T BE DISMISSED THAT EASILY. HE HAS REALLY STARTED HIS POLITICAL ACTIVITY BASED ON THIS RACIST LIE THAT OUR FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT WAS NOT AN AMERICAN CITIZEN. THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE FOR IT. HE PERSISTED YEAR AFTER YEAR, BECAUSE SOME OF HIS SUPPORTERS, SOME OF THE PEOPLE HE WAS TRYING TO BRING NO HIS FOLD BELIEVED IT OR WANTED TO BELIEVE IT. REMEMBER, DONALD STARTED HIS CAREER BACK IN 1973 BEING SUED BY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT FOR RACIAL DISCRIMINATION BECAUSE HE WOULD NOT RENT APARTMENTS IN ONE OF HIS DEVELOPMENTS TO AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND HE MADE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO WORKED FOR HIM UNDERSTOOD THAT WAS THE POLICY. HE ACTUALLY WAS SUED TWICE BY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. HE HAS A LONG RECORD OF ENGAGING IN RACIST BEHAVIOUR. THE BIRTHER LIE WAS A VERY HURTFUL ONE. BARAK OBAMA IS A MAN OF GREAT DIGNITY. I COULD TELL HOW MUCH IT BOTHERED HIM AND ANNOYED HIM THAT THIS WAS BEING TOUTED AND USED AGAINST HIM. I LIKE TO REMEMBER WHAT MICHELLE OBAMA SAID IN HER AMAZING SPEECH AT OUR DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION, WHEN THEY GO LOW, WE GO HIGH. AND BARAK OBAMA WENT HIGH DESPITE DONALD TRUMP’S BEST EFFORTS TO BRING HIM DOWN.>>Lester: YOU CAN RESPOND.>>Donald Trump: I GOT TO WATCH SOME OF YOUR DEBATES AGAINST BARAK OBAMA, YOU TREATED HIM WITH TERRIBLE DISRESPECT. I WATCHED THE WAY YOU TALK NOW ABOUT HOW LOVELY EVERYTHING IS. AND HOW WONDERFUL YOU ARE. IT DOESN’T WORK THAT WAY. YOU WERE AFTER HIM. YOU WERE TRYING TO — YOUR CAMPAIGN SENT OUT PICTURES OF HIM IN A CERTAIN GARB, FAMOUS PICTURES, I DON’T THINK YOU CAN DENY THAT. LAST WEEK, YOUR CAMPAIGN MANAGER SAID IT WAS TRUE. WHEN YOU TRY TO ACT HOLIER THAN THOU, IT DOESN’T WORK. AS FAR AS THE LAWSUIT, I HAD MY FATHER’S — WE ALONG WITH OTHER COMPANIES WERE SUED. WE SETTLED THE SUIT WITH ZERO, WITH NO ADMISSION OF GUILT. IT WAS VERY EASY TO DO. THEY SUED A LOT OF PEOPLE. I NOTICE THE NASTY COMMERCIALS YOU DO ON ME. I DON’T DO ON YOU. MAYBE I AM TRYING TO SAVE THE MONEY. I LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, ISN’T IT AMAZING BECAUSE I SETTLED THAT LAWSUIT WITH NO ADMISSION OF GUILT. THAT WAS A LAWSUIT BROUGHT AGAINST MANY REAL ESTATE FIRMS. IT IS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS. I WILL GO ONE STEP FURTHER, IN PALM BEACH, FLORIDA, A TOUGH COMMUNITY, A BRILLIANT COMMUNITY, A WEALTHY COMMUNITY, PROBABLY THE WEALTHIEST COMMUNITY IN THE WORLD, I OPENED A CLUB AND NO DISCRIMINATION AGAINST AFRICAN AMERICANS, AGAINST MUSLIMS, AGAINST ANYBODY. IT IS A TREMENDOUSLY SUCCESSFUL CLUB. I AM SO GLAD I DID IT. I HAVE BEEN GIVEN GREAT CREDIT FOR WHAT I DID. I AM VERY, VERY PROUD OF IT. AND THAT’S THE WAY I FEEL. THAT IS THE TRUE WAY I FEEL.>>Lester: THE NEXT SEGMENT IS CALLED SECURING AMERICA. WE WANT TO START WITH A 21 CENTURY WAR HAPPENING EVERY DAY IN THE COUNTRY. OUR INSTITUTIONS ARE UNDER CYBERATTACK. AND OUR SECRETS ARE BEING STOLEN. MY QUESTION IS, WHO IS BEHIND IT? AND HOW DO WE FIGHT IT? SECRETARY CLINTON, THE ANSWER TO YOU.>>Hillary Clinton: I THINK CYBERSECURITY, CYBERWARFARE IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES FACING THE NEXT PRESIDENT. CLEARLY, WE ARE FACING AT THIS POINT TWO DIFFERENT KINDS, THERE ARE THE INDEPENDENT HACKING GROUP DOING IT FOR COMMERCIAL REASONS, TRYING TO STEAL INFORMATION THEY CAN USE TO MAKE MONEY. BUT INCREASINGLY, WE ARE SEEING CYBERATTACKS COMING FROM STATES. THE MOST RECENT AND TROUBLING OF THESE HAS BEEN RUSSIA. THERE IS NO DOUBT NOW, THAT RUSSIA HAS USED CYBERATTACKS AGAINST ALL KINDS OF ORGANIZATIONS IN OUR COUNTRY. I AM DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS. I KNOW DONALD IS VERY PRAISEWORTHY OF VLADIMIR PUTIN. PUTIN IS A PLAYING A TOUGH LONG GAME HERE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS HE HAS DONE IS TO LET LOOSE CYBERATTACKERS TO HACK INTO PERSONAL FILES AND THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE. WE RECENTLY HAVE LEARNED THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS ONE OF THEIR PREFERRED METHODS OF TRYING TO REEK HAVOC AND COLLECT INFORMATION. WE NEED TO MAKE IT CLEAR WHETHER IT IS RUSSIA, CHINA, IRAN OR ANYBODY ELSE, THE UNITED STATES HAS MUCH GREATER CAPACITY. WE ARE NOT GOING TO SIT IDLY BY AND PERMIT STATE ACTORS TO GO AFTER OUR INFORMATION. OUR PRIVATE SECTOR INFORMATION OR OUR PUBLIC SECTOR INFORMATION. AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE DON’T WANT TO USE THE KINDS OF TOOLS THAT WE HAVE. WE DON’T WANT TO ENGAGE IN A DIFFERENT KIND OF WARFARE. WE WILL DEFEND THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY. THE RUSSIANS NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT. THEY ARE TREATING IT AS A PROBE, HOW FAR WILL WE GO, HOW MUCH WILL WE DO. I WAS SO SHOCKED WHEN DONALD PUBLICLY INVITED PUTIN TO HACK INTO AMERICANS. THAT IS JUST UNACCEPTABLE. IT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY 50 NATIONAL SECURITY OFFICIALS HAVE SAID THAT DONALD IS UNFIT TO BE THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF. IT IS COMMENTS LIKE THAT THAT REALLY WORRY PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND THE THREATS THAT WE FACE.>>Lester: MR. TRUMP, YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES ON THE SAME QUESTION.>>Donald Trump: I DO WANT TO SAY I WAS JUST ENDORSED AND MORE ARE COMING THIS WEEK, OVER 200 ADMIRALS AND GENERALS ENDORSED ME TO LEAD THIS COUNTRY. THAT JUST HAPPENED AND MANY MORE ARE COMING. I AM PROUD. I WAS ENDORSED BY — I WAS JUST ENDORSED, 16,500 BORDER PATROL AGENTS. WHEN SECRETARY CLINTON TALKS ABOUT THIS, I WILL TALK THE ADMIRAL AND I WILL TAKE THE GENERALS ANY DAY OVER THE POLITICAL HACKS THAT I SEE THAT HAVE LED OUR COUNTRY SO BRILLIANTLY OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS WITH THEIR KNOWLEDGE. LOOK AT THE MESS WE ARE IN. LOOK AT THE MESS WE ARE IN. AS FAR AS THE CYBER, I AGREE, TO PARTS OF WHAT SECRETARY CLINTON SAID, WE SHOULD BE BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE. PERHAPS WE ARE NOT. I DON’T THINK ANYBODY KNOWS IT IS RUSSIA. SHE SAID RUSSIA, RUSSIA. MAYBE IT WAS. IT COULD BE RUSSIA, IT COULD BE CHINA. IT COULD BE LOTS OF OTHER PEOPLE. IT COULD BE SOMEBODY SITTING ON THEIR BED THAT WEIGHS 400 POUNDS. YOU DON’T KNOW WHO BROKE IN TO DNC. WHAT DID WE LEARN? WE LEARNED THAT BERNIE SANDERS WAS TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BY YOUR PEOPLE. BY DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. BERNIE SANDERS WAS TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF. WHETHER THAT WAS RUSSIA, WHETHER THIS WAS CHINA, WHETHER IT WAS ANOTHER COUNTRY, WE DON’T KNOW. BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS UNDER PRESIDENT OBAMA, WE HAVE LOST CONTROL OF THINGS THAT WE USED TO HAVE CONTROL OVER. WE CAME IN WITH THE INTERNET. WE CAME UP WITH THE INTERNET. AND I THINK SECRETARY CLINTON AND MYSELF WOULD AGREE VERY MUCH WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT ISIS IS DOING WITH THE INTERNET, THEY ARE BEATING US AT OUR OWN GAME. WE HAVE TO GET VERY, VERY TOUGH ON CYBER AND CYBERWARFARE. I HAVE A SON WHO IS 10 YEARS OLD. HE IS SO GOOD WITH THE COMPUTERS, IT IS UNBELIEVABLE. THE SECURITY ASPECT OF CYBER IS VERY, VERY TOUGH. AND MAYBE IT IS HARDLY DOABLE, BUT I WOULD SAY, WE ARE NOT DOING THE JOB WE SHOULD BE DOING. THAT IS TRUE THROUGHOUT OUR WHOLE GOVERNMENTAL SOCIETY. WE HAVE SO MANY THINGS WE HAVE TO DO BETTER. CYBER IS ONE OF THEM.>>Lester: SECRETARY CLINTON.>>Hillary Clinton: THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ISSUES TO ADDRESS. I HAVE PUT FORWARD A PLAN IT DEFEAT ISIS. IT DOES INVOLVE GOING AFTER THEM ONLINE. I THINK WE NEED TO DO MUCH MORE. WITH OUR TECH COMPANIES TO PREVENT ISIS AND THEIR OPERATIVES FROM BEING ABLE TO USE THE INTERNET, TO RADICALIZE, EVEN DIRECT PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY AND EUROPE AND ELSEWHERE. WE ALSO HAVE TO INTENSIFY OUR AIR STRIKES AGAINST ISIS, AND EVENTUALLY SUPPORT OUR ARAB AND KURDISH PARTNERS TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY TAKE OUT ISIS IN RAQQA. WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS, OUR MILITARY IS ASSISTING IN IRAQ. AND WE ARE HOPING THAT WITHIN THE YEAR, WE WILL BE ABLE TO PUSH ISIS OUT OF IRAQ AND THEN REALLY SQUEEZE THEM IN SYRIA. BUT WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THEY HAD FOREIGN FIGHTERS COMING TO VOLUNTEER FOR THEM, FOREIGN MONEY, FOREIGN WEAPONS, SO WE HAVE TO MAKE THIS THE TOP PRIORITY. I WOULD ALSO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO TAKE OUT THEIR LEADERSHIP. I WAS INVOLVED IN A NUMBER OF EFFORTS TO TAKE OUT AL-QAEDA LEADERSHIP WHEN I WAS SECRETARY OF STATE INCLUDING, OF COURSE, TAKING OUT OSAMA BIN LADEN. WE NEED TO GO AFTER BAGHDADI AS WELL. MAKE THAT ONE OF OUR ORGANIZING PRINCIPLES. WE HAVE GOT TO DEFEAT ISIS AND WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO DISRUPT THEIR PROPAGANDA EFFORTS ON-LINE.>>Lester: YOU MENTION ISIS. WE THINK AS ISIS AS OVER THERE. THERE ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS WHO HAVE INSPIRED TO COMMIT ACTS OF TERROR ON AMERICAN SOIL. THE LATEST INCIDENT THE BOMBINGS WE SAW IN NEW YORK AND NEW JERSEY, THE KNIFE ATTACK AT A MALL IN MINNESOTA AND THE DEADLY ATTACKS IN SAN BERNARDINO AN ORLANDO. HOW WOULD YOU PREVENT HOME-GROWN ATTACKS BY AMERICAN CITIZENS?>>Donald Trump: I HAVE TO SAY ONE THING THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT. SECRETARY CLINTON IS TALKING ABOUT TAKING OUT ISIS. WE WILL TAKE OUT ISIS. WELL, PRESIDENT OBAMA AND SECRETARY CLINTON CREATED A VACUUM THE WAY THEY GOT OUT OF IRAQ. THEY GOT OUT — THEY SHOULDN’T HAVE BEEN IN. ONCE THEY GOT IN, THE WAY THEY GOT OUT WAS A DISASTER. AND ISIS WAS FORMED. SHE TALKS ABOUT TAKING THEM OUT. SHE HAS BEEN TRYING TO TAKE THEM OUT FOR A LONG TIME. THEY WOULDN’T EVEN HAVE BEEN FORMED IF THEY LEFT SOME TROOPS BEHIND LIKE 10,000 OR MAYBE SOMETHING MORE THAN THAT. AND THEN YOU WOULDN’T HAVE HAD THEM. OR AS I HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR A LONG TIME AND I THINK YOU WILL AGREE BECAUSE I SAID IT TO YOU ONCE, HAD WE TAKEN THE OIL, WE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THE OIL, ISIS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FORM EITHER BECAUSE THE OIL WAS THEIR PRIMARY SOURCE OF INCOME. NOW, THEY HAVE THE OIL ALL OVER THE PLACE INCLUDING THE OIL, A LOT OF THE OIL IN LIBYA WHICH WAS ANOTHER ONE OF HER DISASTERS.>>Lester: SECRETARY CLINTON.>>Hillary Clinton: I HOPE THE FACT CHECKERS ARE TURNING UP THE VOLUME AND REALLY WORKING HARD. DONALD SUPPORTED THE INVASION OF IRAQ.>>Donald Trump: WRONG.>>Hillary Clinton: THAT IS PROVED OVER AND OVER AGAIN.>>Donald Trump: WRONG.>>Hillary Clinton: HE ADVOCATED FOR THE ACTIONS WE TOOK IN LIBYA AND URGED THAT GADHAFI BEING TAKEN OUT AFTER DOING BUSINESS WITH HIM. THE LARGER POINT, HE SAYS THIS CONSTANTLY IS GEORGE W. BUSH MADE THE AGREEMENT ABOUT WHEN AMERICAN TROOPS WOULD LEAVE IRAQ. NOT BARAK OBAMA. AND THE ONLY WAY THAT AMERICAN TROOPS COULD HAVE STAYED IN IRAQ IS TO GET AN AGREEMENT FROM THE THEN IRAQI GOVERNMENT THAT WOULD HAVE PROTECTED OUR TROOPS. AND THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT WOULD NOT GIVE THAT. BUT LET’S TALK ABOUT THE QUESTION YOU ASKED, LESTER, THE QUESTION IS WHAT DO WE HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THIS. HOW DO WE PREVENT ATTACKS? HOW DO WE PROTECT OUR PEOPLE? AND I THINK WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE AN INTELLIGENT SURGE WHERE WE ARE LOOKING FOR EVERY SCRAP OF INFORMATION. I WAS SO PROUD OF LAW ENFORCEMENT IN NEW YORK, IN MINNESOTA, IN NEW JERSEY, THEY RESPONDED TO QUICKLY, SO PROFESSIONALLY TO THE ATTACKS THAT OCCURRED BY RAHAMI AND THEY BROUGHT HIM DOWN. THEY MAY FOUND OUT MORE INFORMATION BECAUSE HE IS STILL ALIVE. IT MAY PROVE TO BE AN INTELLIGENCE BENEFIT. WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO VACUUM UP INTELLIGENCE FROM EUROPE, FROM THE MIDDLE EAST, THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO WORK MORE CLOSELY WITH OUR ALLIES. AND THAT’S SOMETHING THAT DONALD HAS BEEN VERY DISMISSIVE OF. WE ARE WORKING WITH NATO, THE LONGEST MILITARY ALLIANCE IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD TO REALLY TURN OUR ATTENTION TO TERRORISM. WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR FRIENDS IN THE MIDDLE EAST. MANY OF WHICH, AS YOU KNOW, ARE MUSLIM MAJORITY NATIONS, DONALD HAS CONSISTENTLY INSULTED MUSLIMS ABROAD, MUSLIMS AT HOME. WHEN WE NEED TO BE COOPERATING WITH MUSLIM NATIONS AND WITH THE AMERICAN MUSLIM COMMUNITY. THEY ARE ON THE FRONT LINES. THEY CAN PROVIDE INFORMATION TO US THAT WE MIGHT NOT GET ANYWHERE ELSE. THEY NEED TO HAVE CLOSE WORKING COOPERATION WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THESE COMMUNITIES. NOT BE ALIENATED AND PUSHED AWAY AS SOME OF DONALD’S RHETORIC, UNFORTUNATELY, HAS LED TO.>>Donald Trump: I HAVE TO RESPOND.>>Lester: PLEASE RESPOND.>>Donald Trump: THE SECRETARY SAID VERY STRONGLY ABOUT WORKING WITH. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR MANY YEARS. WE HAVE THE GREATEST MESS ANYONE HAS SEEN. YOU LOOK AT THE MIDDLE EAST, IT IS A TOTAL MESS. UNDER YOUR DIRECTION TO A LARGE EXTENT. YOU STARTED THE IRAN DEAL. THAT IS ANOTHER BEAUTY WHEN YOU HAVE A COUNTRY THAT WAS READY TO FALL, THEY WERE DOING SO BADLY. THEY WERE CHOKING ON THE SANCTIONS. NOW, THEY WILL BE ACTUALLY PROBABLY A MAJOR POWER AT SOME POINT PRETTY SOON THE WAY THEY ARE GOING. WHEN YOU LOOK AT — I WAS ASKED ON A MAJOR SHOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF NATO. I AM A BUSINESS PERSON. I HAVE COMMON SENSE. I SAID, WELL, I WILL TELL YOU, I HAVE GIVEN A LOT OF NATO. TWO THINGS, NUMBER ONE, THE 28 COUNTRIES, MANY OF THEM ARE NOT PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE. NUMBER TWO, AND IT BOTHERS ME BECAUSE WE SHOULD BE ASKED, WE ARE DEFENDING THEM AND THEY SHOULD BE PAYING US WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PAYING BY TREATY AND CONTRACT. AND NUMBER TWO, I SAID AND VERY STRONGLY, NATO COULD BE OBSOLETE, I WAS STRONG WITH THIS AND IT WAS COVERED ACCURATELY IN THE NEW YORK TIMES, IT IS USUAL FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES TO BE HONEST. THEY DO NOT FOCUS ON — I SAID IT NUMEROUS TIMES. ABOUT FOUR MONTHS AGO, I READ ON THE FRONT PAGE THAT NATO IS OPENING UP A MAJOR TERROR DIVISION. I THINK THAT IS GREAT. I THINK WE SHOULD GET, BECAUSE WE ARE PAYING APPROXIMATELY 73% OF THE COST OF NATO, IT IS A LOT OF MONEY TO PROTECT OTHER PEOPLE. I AM ALL FOR NATO. I SAID THEY HAVE TO FOCUS ON TERROR ALSO. THAT WAS, BELIEVE ME, I WILL NOT GET CREDIT FOR IT. IT WAS LARGELY BECAUSE OF WHAT I WAS SAYING, AND MY CRITICISM OF NATO. I THINK WE HAVE TO GET NATO TO GO INTO THE MIDDLE EAST WITH US IN ADDITION TO SURROUNDING NATIONS AND WE HAVE TO KNOCK THE HELL OUT OF ISIS AND WE HAVE TO DO IT FAST. WHEN ISIS FORMED IN THIS VACUUM, CREATE THE BY BARAK OBAMA AND SECRETARY CLINTON AND, BELIEVE ME, YOU ARE THE ONES THAT TOOK OUT THE TROOPS, NOT ONLY THAT — THEY COULDN’T BELIEVE IT. THEY SAT BACK AND PROBABLY SAID — >>Hillary Clinton: WE COVERED — >>Donald Trump: IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT TAKING OUT ISIS. YOU WERE THERE AND YOU WERE SECRETARY OF STATE WHEN IT WAS A LITTLE INFANT. NOW, IT IS AN OVER 30 COUNTRIES. YOU WILL STOP THEM? I DON’T THINK SO.>>Lester: MR. TRUMP, A LOT OF THESE ARE JUDGMENT QUESTIONS. YOU HAVE SUPPORTED THE WAR IN IRAQ BEFORE THE INVASION. WHAT MAKES — >>Donald Trump: I DID NOT SUPPORT A WAR IN IRAQ. THAT IS A MAINSTREAM MEDIA NONSENSE PUT OUT BY HER BECAUSE SHE FRANKLY, I THINK, THE BEST PERSON IN HER CAMPAIGN IS MAINSTREAM MEDIA.>>Lester: MY QUESTION IS — >>Donald Trump: I WAS AGAINST THE WAR IN IRAQ.>>Lester: THE RECORD SHOWS OTHERWISE.>>Donald Trump: THE RECORD SHOWS I AM RIGHT. WHEN I DID AN INTERVIEW WITH HOWARD STERN, FIRST TIME ANYONE ASKED ME THAT, I SAID VERY LIGHTLY, I DON’T KNOW, MAYBE, WHO KNOWS, ESSENTIALLY. I THEN DID AN INTERVIEW AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE ECONOMY, I TALKED SHAWN HANADY, I HAD NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS WITH SHAWN FROM FOX. HE CALLED ME THE OTHER DAY, AND I SPOKE TO HIM ABOUT IT, HE SAID, YOU WERE TOTALLY AGAINST THE WAR. HE WAS FOR THE WAR. AND THAT WAS BEFORE THE WAR STARTED. SHAWN SAID VERY STRONGLY, TO ME AND OTHER PEOPLE, HE IS WILLING TO SAY, NOBODY WANTS TO CALL HIM. I WAS AGAINST THE WAR. HE SAID YOU USED TO HAVE FIGHTS WITH ME. SHAWN WAS IN FAVOUR OF THE WAR. I UNDERSTAND THAT SIDE ALSO. NOT VERY MUCH BECAUSE WE SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE. NOBODY CALLED SHAWN HANADY. THEY DID AN ARTICLE IN A MAJOR MAGAZINE AFTER THE WAR STARTED, I THINK IN ’04, BUT THEY DID AN ARTICLE WHICH HAD ME TOTALLY AGAINST THE WAR IN IRAQ. AND ONE OF YOUR COMPATRIOTS SAID, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT WAS BEFORE OR RIGHT AFTER, TRUMP — IF YOU READ THE ARTICLE THERE IS NO DOUBT. IF ANYBODY AND I WILL ASK THE PRESS, IF SOMEBODY WOULD CALL UP SHAWN HANADY, THIS WAS BEFORE THE WAR STARTED, WE USED TO HAVE ARGUMENTS ABOUT THE WAR. I SAID IT IS A TERRIBLE AND A STUPID THING. IT IS GOING TO DESTABILIZE THE MIDDLE EAST. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IT HAS DONE.>>Lester: THE REFERENCE WHAT YOU SAID IN 2002. MY QUESTION WAS — WHY IS YOUR JUDGMENT DIFFERENT THAN MRS. CLINTONS.>>I HAVE BETTER JUDGMENT THAN SHE HAS. I HAVE A BETTER TEMPERAMENT THAN SHE HAS. YOU KNOW. I HAVE A MUCH BETTER — SHE SPENT, LET ME TELL YOU, SHE SPENT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON AN ADVERTISING, YOU KNOW, THEY GET MADISON AVENUE TO YOUR ROOM, TEMPERAMENT, LET’S GO AFTER. MY STRONGEST ASSET, MAYBE BY FAR IS MY TEMPERAMENT. I HAVE A WINNING TEMPERAMENT. I KNOW HOW TO WIN. SHE DOES NOT. THE OTHER DAY, HIM THE BLUE SCREEN, I DON’T KNOW WHO YOU WERE TALKING TO SECRETARY CLINTON, YOU WERE TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL. I SAID THERE IS THE PERSON WITH A TEMPERAMENT THAT HAS A PROBLEM.>>Lester: SECRETARY CLINTON.>>Hillary Clinton: OKAY. LET’S TALK ABOUT TWO IMPORTANT ISSUES THAT WERE BRIEFLY MENTIONED BY DONALD. YOU KNOW, NATO AS A MILITARY ALLIANCE HAS SOMETHING CALLED ARTICLE 5. AND BASICALLY IT SAYS THIS: AN ATTACK ON ONE IS AN ATTACK ON ALL. AND YOU KNOW THE ONLY TIME IT HAS BEEN INVOKED AFTER 9/11 WHEN THE 28 NATIONS OF NATO SAID THAT THEY WOULD GO TO AFGHANISTAN WITH US TO FIGHT TERRORISM. SOMETHING THAT THEY STILL ARE DOING BY OUR SIDE. WITH RESPECT TO IRAN, WHEN I BECAME SECRETARY OF STATE, IRAN WAS WEEKS AWAY FROM HAVING ENOUGH NUCLEAR MATERIAL TO FORM A BOMB. THEY HAD MASTERED THE NUCLEAR FUEL CYCLE UNDER THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, THEY HAD BUILT COVERT FACILITIES, THEY STOCKED THEM WITH CENTRIFUGES THAT WERE WHIRLING AWAY. WE HAD SANCTIONED THEM. I VOTED FOR EVERY SANCTION AGAINST IRAN WHEN I WAS IN THE SENATE. IT WASN’T ENOUGH. I SPENT A YEAR AND A HALF PUTTING TOGETHER A COALITION THAT INCLUDED RUSSIA AND CHINA TO IMPOSE THE TOUGHEST SANCTIONS ON IRAN. WE DID DRIVE THEM TO THE NEGOTIATING TABLE. AND MY SUCCESSOR JOHN KERRY AND PRESIDENT OBAMA GOT A DEAL THAT PUT A LID ON IRAN’S NUCLEAR PROGRAM. WITHOUT FIRING A SINGLE SHOT. THAT’S DIPLOMACY. THAT IS COALITION BUILDING. THAT IS WORKING WITH OTHER NATIONS. THE OTHER DAY, I SAW DONALD SAYING THAT THERE WERE SOME IRANIAN SAILORS ON A SHIP IN THE WATERS OFF OF IRAN AND WERE TAUNTING AMERICAN SAILORS WHO WERE ON A NEARBY SHIP. HE SAID, YOU KNOW, IF THEY TAUNTED OUR SAILORS, I WOULD BLOW THEM OUT OF THE WATER AND START ANOTHER WAR. THAT’S NOT GOOD JUDGMENT. THAT IS NOT THE RIGHT TEMPERAMENT TO BE COMMANDER IN CHIEF, TO BE TAUNTED, AND THE WORSE PART I HEARD DONALD SAY HAS BEEN ABOUT NUCLEAR WEAPONS. HE HAS SAID REPEATEDLY THAT HE DIDN’T CARE IF OTHER NATIONS GOT NUCLEAR WEAPONS, JAPAN, KOREA AND SAUDI ARABIA, IT HAS BEEN THE POLICY OF DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS TO DO EVERYTHING WE COULD TO REDUCE THE PROLIFERATION OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS. HE SAID, WELL, IF THERE WERE NUCLEAR WAR IN EAST ASIA, WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT’S FINE. HAVE A GOOD TIME, FOLKS. HIS CAVALIER ATTITUDE ABOUT NUCLEAR WEAPONS IS SO DEEPLY TROUBLING, THAT IS THE NUMBER ONE THREAT WE FACE IN THE WORLD. IT BECOMES PARTICULARLY THREATENING IF TERRORISTS EVER GET THEIR HANDS ANY NUCLEAR MATERIAL. A MAN WHO CAN BE PROVOKED BY A TWEET SHOULD NOT HAVE HIS FINGERS ANYWHERE NEAR THE NUCLEAR CODES AS FAR AS I THINK ANYONE WITH ANY SENSE ABOUT THIS SHOULD BE CONCERN.>>Donald Trump: I WOULD LIKE — IT IS NOT AN ACCURATE ONE AT ALL. I JUST WANT TO GIVE A LOT OF THINGS JUST TO RESPOND. I AGREE WITH HER ON ONE THING, THE SINGLE GREATEST PROBLEM THE WORLD HAS IS NUCLEAR ARMAMENT, NUCLEAR WEAPONS. NOT GLOBAL WARMING LIKE YOU THINK AND YOUR PRESIDENT THINKS. NUCLEAR IS THE SINGLE GREATEST THREAT. JUST TO GO DOWN THE LIST, WE DEFEND JAPAN. WE DEFEND GERMANY. WE DEFEND SOUTH KOREA, WE AGAIN COUNTRIES. THEY DO NOT PAY WHAT THEY SHOULD BE PAYING US BECAUSE WE ARE PROVIDING TREMENDOUS SERVICE AND WE ARE LOSING A FORTUNE. THAT’S WHY WE ARE LOSING. WE LOSE ON EVERYTHING. I SAID IT IS VERY POSSIBLE THAT IF THEY DON’T PAY A FAIR SHARE. THIS ISN’T 40 YEARS WHERE WE COULD DO WHAT WE ARE DOING. WE CAN’T DEFEND JAPAN.>>Lester: WE NEED TO MOVE ON.>>Donald Trump: IT IS IMPORTANT. THEY MAY HAVE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES OR THEY HAVE TO HELP US OUT. WE ARE A COUNTRY THAT OWES $20 TRILLION. THEY HAVE TO HELP US OUT. AS FAR AS THE NUCLEAR IS CONCERNED, I AGREE. IT IS THE SINGLE GREATEST THREAT THAT THIS COUNTRY HAS.>>Lester: WHICH LEAVES MY NEXT QUESTION AS WE GET TO THE LAST SEGMENT. SECURING AMERICA, ON NUCLEAR WEAPONS, PRESIDENT OBAMA REPORTEDLY CONSIDERED CHANGING THE NATIONS LONG STANDING POLICY ON FIRST USE. DO YOU SUPPORT THE CURRENT POLICY? MR. TRUMP, YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES ON THIS.>>Donald Trump: I HAVE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, FOR WHAT SECRETARY CLINTON SAID WITH NUCLEAR WITH RUSSIA. SHE IS CAVALIER HOW SHE TALKS ABOUT VARIOUS COUNTRIES. RUSSIA HAS BEEN EXPANDING THEIR — THEY HAVE A MUCH NEWER CAPABILITY. WE HAVE NOT BEEN UPDATING FROM THE NEW STANDPOINT. I LOOKED THE OTHER NIGHT, I SAW B-52s, THEY ARE OLD ENOUGH THAT YOUR FATHER AND GRANDFATHER COULD FLY THEM. WE ARE NOT KEEPING UP WITH OTHER COUNTRIES. WOULD I LIKE EVERYBODY TO END IT. GET RID OF IT. I WOULD NOT DO FIRST STRIKE. I THINK THAT ONCE THE NUCLEAR ALTERNATIVE HAPPENS, IT IS OVER. AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED. I CAN’T TAKE ANYTHING OFF THE TABLE. YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THESE COUNTRIES, YOU LOOK AT NORTH KOREA, WE ARE DOING NOTHING THERE. CHINA SHOULD SOLVE THEIR PROBLEM FOR US. CHINA SHOULD GO INTO NORTH KOREA, CHINA IS TOTALLY POWERFUL AS IT RELATES TO NORTH KOREA. BY THE WAY ANOTHER ONE POWERFUL IS THE WORST DEAL NEGOTIATED THAT YOU STARTED IS THE IRAN DEAL. IRAN IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST TRADING PARTNERS. THEY HAVE POWER OVER NORTH KOREA. WHEN THEY MADE THAT HORRIBLE DEAL WITH IRAN, THEY SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED THE FACT THAT THEY DO SOMETHING WITH RESPECT TO NORTH KOREA. AND THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING WITH RESPECT TO YEMEN AND THE OTHER PLACES. WHEN ASKED TO THE SECRETARY WHY DIDN’T YOU ADD OTHER THINGS INTO THE DEAL, ONE OF THE GREAT GIVEAWAYS OF ALL TIME, OF ALL TIME, INCLUDING $400 MILLION IN CASH, NOBODY HAS SEEN THAT BEFORE. THAT TURNED OUT TO BE WRONG. IT WAS ACTUALLY $1.7 BILLION IN CASH, OBVIOUSLY, I GUESS, FOR THE HOSTAGES, IT CERTAINLY LOOKS THAT WAY. YOU SAY TO YOURSELF, WHY DIDN’T THEY MAKE THE RIGHT DEAL. THIS IS ONE OF THE WORST DEALS MADE BY ANY COUNTRY IN HISTORY. THE DEAL WITH IRAN WILL LEAD TO NUCLEAR PROBLEMS. I MET WITH NETANYAHU. HE IS NOT HAPPY.>>Hillary Clinton: WORDS MATTER WHEN YOU RUN FOR PRESIDENT AND THEY REALLY MATTER WHEN YOU ARE PRESIDENT. I WANT TO REASSURE OUR ALLIES IN JAPAN, AND SOUTH KOREA, AND ELSEWHERE, THAT WE HAVE MUTUAL DEFENCE TREATIES AND WE WILL HONOUR THEM. IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT AMERICA’S WORD BE GOOD. AND SO I KNOW THAT THIS CAMPAIGN HAS CAUSED SOME QUESTIONING AND SOME WORRIES ON THE PART OF MANY LEADERS ACROSS THE GLOBE. I TALKED WITH A NUMBER OF THEM. I WANT ON BEFORE OF MYSELF AND I THINK ON BEHALF OF A MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR WORD IS GOOD. IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT THE ENTIRE GLOBAL SITUATION. THERE IS NO DOUBT WE HAVE OTHER PROBLEMS WITH IRAN. I WOULD RATHER DEAL WITH THE OTHER PROBLEMS AND PUT ON THE NUCLEAR LID. DONALD NEVER TELLS YOU WHAT HE WOULD DO. WOULD HE HAVE STARTED A WAR, BOMBED IRAN. IF HE WILL CRITICIZE A DEAL THAT HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN GIVING US ACCESS TO IRANIAN FACILITIES THAT WE NEVER HAD BEFORE, THEN HE SHOULD TELL US WHAT HIS ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE. IT IS LIKE HIS PLAN TO DEFEAT ISIS. HE SAYS IT IS A SECRET PLAN. THE ONLY SECRET IS HE HAS NO PLAN. WE NEED TO BE MORE PRECISE IN HOW WE TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES. PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD FOLLOW OUR PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNS SO CLOSELY TRYING TO GET HINTS ABOUT WHAT WE WILL DO. CAN THEY RELY ON US? ARE WE GOING TO LEAD THE WORLD WITH STRENGTH AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR VALUES. THAT’S WHAT I INTEND TO DO. I INTEND TO BE A LEADER OF OUR COUNTRY THAT PEOPLE CAN COUNT ON BOTH HERE AT HOME AND AROUND THE WORLD. TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT WILL FURTHER PEACE AND PROSPERITY. BUT ALSO STAND UP TO BULLIES WHETHER THEY ARE ABROAD OR AT HOME. WE CANNOT LET THOSE WHO WOULD TRY TO DESTABILIZE THE WORLD TO INTERFERE WITH AMERICAN INTERESTS AND SECURITY.>>Lester: YOUR TWO MINUTES ARE UP.>>Donald Trump: ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY.>>Lester: VERY QUICKLY.>>Donald Trump: YES. HILLARY WILL TELL YOU TO GO TO HER WEBSITE AND READ HOW TO DEFEAT ISIS. SHE COULD HAVE DEFEATED BY NEVER HAVING GET GOING IN THE FIRST PLACE. RIGHT NOW, IT IS GETTING TOUGHER AND TOUGHER TO DEFEAT THEM. THEY ARE IN MORE AND MORE PLACES. MORE AND MORE STATES AND MORE AND MORE NATIONS. IT A BIG PROBLEM. AS FAR AS JAPAN IS CONCERNED, I WANT TO HELP ALL OUR ALLIES. WE ARE LOSING BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. WE CANNOT BE THE POLICEMEN OF THE WORLD. WE CANNOT PROTECT COUNTRIES ALL OVER THE WORLD WHERE THEY ARE NOT PAYING US WHAT WE NEED.>>Lester: A FEW FINAL QUESTIONS.>>Donald Trump: SHE HAS NO BUSINESS ABILITY. WE NEED HEART AND A LOT OF THINGS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME BASIC ABILITY. AND SADLY SHE DOESN’T HAVE THAT. ALL OF THE THINGS SHE IS TALKING ABOUT COULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN OF DURING THE LAST TEN YEARS, LET’S SAY, WHILE SHE HAD GREAT POWER. THERE WEREN’T TAKEN CARE OF. IF SHE EVER WINS THIS RACE, THEY WILL NOT BE TAKEN CARE OF.>>Lester: THIS YEAR SECRETARY CLINTON WAS THE FIRST TO BE NOMINATED BY A MAJOR PARTY. YOU SAID SHE DOES NOT HAVE A PRESIDENTIAL LOOK. SHE IS STANDING HERE. WHAT DID YOU MEAN?>>Donald Trump: THE — THE STAMINA, I SAID. I DON’T BELIEVE SHE HAS IT. YOU NEED TREMENDOUS STAMINA.>>Lester: THE QUOTE WAS — >>Donald Trump: DID YOU ASK ME A QUESTION. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE ON TRADE DEALS. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE — THAT’S RIGHT, WITH JAPAN, WITH SAUDI ARABIA, CAN YOU IMAGINE DEFENDING SAUDI ARABIA AND WITH ALL OF THE MONEY THEY HAVE, WE ARE DEFENDING THEM AND THEY ARE NOT PAYING. YOU SPEAK TO THEM. YOU HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DO. AND I DON’T BELIEVE THAT HILLARY HAS THE STAMINA.>>Lester: LET’S LET HER RESPOND.>>Hillary Clinton: AS SOON AS HE TRAVELS TO 112 COUNTRIES AND NEGOTIATES A PEACE DEAL, A CEASE-FIRE, A RELEASE OF DISSIDENTS AND OPENING OF NEW OPPORTUNITIES IN NATIONS AROUND THE WORLD OR EVEN EXTENDS 11 HOURS TESTIFYING IN FRONT OF A CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE, HE CAN TALK TO ME ABOUT STAMINA.>>Donald Trump: THE WORLD — LET ME TELL YOU, HILLARY HAS EXPERIENCE, BUT IT IS BAD EXPERIENCE. WE HAVE MADE SO MANY BAD DEALS DURING — SHE HAS EXPERIENCE, BUT IT IS BAD, BAD EXPERIENCE. WHETHER IT IS THE IRAN DEAL YOU ARE SO IN LOVE WITH WHEN THEY GAVE THEM $150 BILLION BACK. WHETHER IT IS THE IRAN DEAL. WHETHER IT IS ANYTHING — YOU ALMOST CAN’T NAME A GOOD DEAL. I AGREE, SHE HAS EXPERIENCE. IT IS BAD EXPERIENCE. AND THIS COUNTRY CAN’T AFFORD TO HAVE ANOTHER 4 YEARS OF THAT KIND OF EXPERIENCE.>>Lester: WE ARE AT THE FINAL QUESTION.>>Hillary Clinton: ONE THING, HE TRIED TO SWITCH FROM LOOKS TO STAMINA. BUT THIS IS A MAN WHO HAS CALLED WOMEN, PIGS, SLOBS AND DOGS. AND SOMEONE WHO HAS SAID PREGNANCY IS AN INCONVENIENCE TO EMPLOYERS. WHO SAID WOMEN DON’T DESERVE EQUAL PAY UNLESS THEY DO AS GOOD AS JOB AS MEN. AND ONE OF THE WORST THINGS HE SAID WAS ABOUT A WOMAN IN A BEAUTY CONTEST, HE LOVES BEAUTY CONTESTS, SUPPORTING THEM AND HANGING AROUND THEM, AND HE CALLED THIS WOMAN MISS PIGGY. THEN HE CALLED HER MISS HOUSE KEEPING, BECAUSE SHE WAS LATINO. SHE HAS A NAME. HER NAME IS LISA. SHE HAS BECOME A U.S. CITIZEN AND YOU CAN BET SHE IS GOING TO VOTE — >>Donald Trump: OKAY GOOD. HILLARY IS HITTING ME WITH TREMENDOUS COMMERCIALS. SOME OF IT SAID IN ENTERTAINMENT. SOME OF IT SAID — SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN VICIOUS TO ME, ROSEY O’DONNEL. I SAID TOUGH THINGS TO HER AND EVERYBODY WOULD AGREE SHE DESERVES IT AND NOBODY FEELS SORRY FOR HER. YOU WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH, I WAS GOING TO SAY — ROUGH TO HILLARY, TO HER FAMILY, AND I SAID TO MYSELF, I CAN’T DO IT. I JUST CAN’T DO IT. IT IS INAPPROPRIATE, IT IS NOT NICE. SHE SPENT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON NEGATIVE ADS ON ME, MANY OF WHICH ARE ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE. THEY ARE UNTRUE AND MISREPRESENTATIONS. AND I WILL TELL YOU THIS, LESTER, IT IS NOT NICE AND I DON’T DESERVE THAT. IT IS CERTAINLY NOT A NICE THING THAT SHE HAS DONE. IT IS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF ADS. THE ONLY GRATIFYING THING IS I SAW THE POLLS COME IN TODAY, AND WITH ALL OF THAT MONEY, OVER $200 MILLION SPENT AND I AM WINNING OR TIED.>>Lester: ONE OF YOU WILL NOT WIN THIS ELECTION. MY FINAL QUESTION TO YOU TONIGHT, ARE YOU WILLING TO ACCEPT THE OUTCOME AS THE WILL OF THE VOTERS. SECRETARY CLINTON?>>Hillary Clinton: I SUPPORT OUR DEMOCRACY. SOMETIMES YOU WIN, SOMETIMES YOU LOSE. I CERTAINLY WILL SUPPORT THE OUTCOME OF THIS ELECTION. AND I KNOW DONALD IS TRYING VERY HARD TO PLANT DOUBTS ABOUT IT. I HOPE THE PEOPLE OUT THERE UNDERSTAND THIS ELECTION IS REALLY UP TO YOU. IT IS NOT ABOUT US SO MUCH AS IT IS ABOUT YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES AND THE KIND OF COUNTRY AND FUTURE YOU WANT. I SURE HOPE YOU WILL GET OUT AND VOTE AS THOUGH YOUR FUTURE DEPENDED ON IT. BECAUSE I THINK IT DOES.>>Lester: MR. TRUMP, WILL YOU ACCEPT THE OUTCOME OF THE VOTERS?>>Donald Trump: I WANT TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. WE ARE TROUBLED. WE ARE LOSING OUR JOBS AND PEOPLE ARE POURING INTO OUR COUNTRY. THE OTHER DAY WE DEPORTED 800 PEOPLE. PERHAPS HE PRESSED THE WRONG BUTTON, PERHAPS WORST THAN THAT, IT WAS CORRUPTION. THE PEOPLE BECAME CITIZENS, ENDED UP BECOMING CITIZENS. IT WAS 800 AND IT TURNS OUT IT MAY BE 1800, AND THEY DON’T EVEN KNOW. HERE IS — I WANT TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. I WILL BE ABLE TO DO IT. I DON’T BELIEVE HILLARY WILL. THE ANSWER IF SHE WINS, I WILL ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT HER.>>Lester: THAT IS GOING TO DO IT FOR US. THAT CONCLUDES OUR DEBATE FOR THIS EVENING. A SPIRITED ONE. WE COVERED A LOT OF GROUND. NOT EVERYTHING AS I SUSPECTED. THE NEXT PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IS OCTOBER 9TH IN WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY IN St. LOUIS. THE CONVERSATION WILL CONTINUE. THE VICE-PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IS SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER 4TH AT LONGWOOD UNIVERSITY IN FARMVILLE, VIRGINIA. THANKS TO HILLARY CLINTON AND DONALD TRUMP AND HOFSTRA UNIVERSITY. GOOD NIGHT, EVERYONE.>>THAT CONCLUDE THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. THE FIRST OF THREE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES IN NEW YORK TONIGHT. YOU CAN SEE THE CANDIDATES SHAKING HANDS WITH THE MODERATOR, LESTER HOLT. I WILL KEEP THAT PICTURE UP AS WE BRING IN THE POWER PANEL IN WASHINGTON. FROM TORONTO. TIM POWERS IN STUDIO. AND CBC POLL ANALYST. AMANDA, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF WHAT YOU SAW?>>I AM SO RILED UP. I AM SURE EVERYBODY ON THE PANEL IS TOO. IF YOU HAVE BEEN ON SOCIAL MEDIA. IT HAS BEEN A FRENZY. KIND OF LIKE THAT DEBATE. IT WAS, FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS QUOTED AS BEING THE MOST UNPREDICTABLE DEBATE THAT WE HAVE SEEN, IT WAS UTTERLY PREDICTABLE. HE WAS FLY BY THE SEAT OF HIS PANTS. HE WAS, YOU KNOW, GENERALIZATIONS, SHE WAS MUCH MORE POLISHED. FOCUSSED, BUT MAYBE A LITTLE TOO SCRIPTED. I KNOW THERE WERE MOMENTS FOR ME WHERE I JUST WANTED HER TO JUMP IN AND HAMMER HIM BACK. AND INSTEAD, SHE WENT WITH A SOFTER, I HOPE THOSE FACT CHECKERS ARE DOING THEIR JOBS. I DID THINK SHE HAD SOME REALLY POWERFUL MOMENTS, PARTICULARLY NEAR THE END OF THE DEBATE WHEN SHE FOUGHT BACK ON STAMINA. WHEN SHE DEALT WITH SEXISM STRAIGHT ON. I WAS GLAD FOR THOSE MOMENTS. IF I WERE TO SUM IT UP, I WOULD SAY THE DEBATE FOR HIM WAS ALL ABOUT HIM. THE DEBATE FOR TRUMP WAS ALL ABOUT ME. THE DEBATE FOR CLINTON WAS ALL ABOUT YOU. WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE TOOK THAT AWAY. IT WAS HIS RESUME VERSUS HER POLICIES.>>I AM LEAVING THE PICTURES UP. YOU WERE RAISING YOUR EYEBROWS. YOUR THOUGHTS AND WE CAN DIG INTO THE ISSUES.>>AMANDA HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. IT WAS A PREDICTABLE DEBATE TONIGHT. IF YOU COULD FIND TWO MORE UNLOVABLE AMERICAN CANDIDATES FOR THE U.S. PRESIDENCY, I WOULD BE SHOCKED. THE TWO PARTICULAR INDIVIDUALS PLAYED EXACTLY TO THE TYPE THAT WE WOULD HAVE EXPECTED THEM TO. IT ALMOST GOES WITHOUT SAYING THAT DONALD TRUMP — FOR THE RECORD WE SHOULD NOT JUST SUGGEST HE WAS A BAPHOON. HE WAS WRONG. IT IS GOOD THAT THE FACT CHECKERS ARE ON HIM. HILLARY CLINTON DID NOT DO HERSELF A LOT OF FAVOURS. SHE DID NOT EXCEL OF THE ATTACKS THAT WERE REHEARSED AND WELL PRACTICED. SHE DOES NOT HAVE THE CHARISMA OF PREVIOUS DEBATER. MY HEAVENS, WHAT A DREADFULLY HORRIFIC BORING AND DISAPPOINTING COMMENTS ON AMERICAN DEMOCRACY TO SAY THE LEAST.>>Rosemary: TIM AND LISA.>>HE CULTIVATED THE AUDIENCE, AT LEAST THE PEOPLE HE WANTS TO TALK TO IN THE AUDIENCE THAT THAT REGARD. WHAT IS FASCINATING FOR ME, THOUGH, IS WE SHOULDN’T DISMISS THIS. TRUMP IS CLEARLY CALCULATED FOR GOOD OR FOR BAD THAT HIS SCHTIK WORKS. HE IS NOT BACKING AWAY FROM IT AT ALL. HE IS CLEARLY DOUBLING DOWN ON IT. YOU LOOK AT THE LINGUISTIC PAT — PATTERNS. US VERSUS THEM. I TAKE PRIDE I HAVE NOT PAID TAXES AND I DODGED LAWS, IT IS A GOOD THING. HE REMIND ME OF THE BAR ROOM SAVANT. THAT IS WHAT HE WANTS TO BE. BAR ROOM AND SAVANT USUALLY DO NOT GO TOGETHER. THEY DO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DONALD TRUMP. THAT IS WHAT HE IS CALCULATING WILL WORK. ON CLINTON, YOU KNOW, I DON’T THINK SHE NECESSARILY WAS AS BAD AS AMANDA WAS DEPICTING. SHE COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER. COMING OUT OF THIS SO FAR, I DON’T THINK ANYBODY LOST. SOMETIMES IN A DEBATE, THAT’S THE KEY THING. THERE WILL BE A LOT OF TRADITIONYS WILL SAY HE WAS TERRIBLE. THEY WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM ANYWAY. WHAT WILL BE FASCINATING IS WHAT THE FOCUS GROUPS AND THE POLLS DONE WATCHING THE BODY LANGUAGE. AND HOW THAT PLAYED OUT BECAUSE THAT WAS ALSO SORT OF INTERESTING. TRUMP WAS MORE RESERVED WITH HIS BODY LANGUAGE THAN HE NORMALLY TENDS TO BE. AND THAT MAY HAVE BEEN COACHING.>>Rosemary: LISA AND THEN ERIC.>>ON BALANCE, HILLARY CLINTON HAD DONALD TRUMP ON THE DEFENSIVE REPEATEDLY, IF HE TOOK ONE THING AWAY, IT WAS HE DID NOT PAY HIS TAXES. HE REALLY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO LEARN A LOT GOING INTO THE NEXT DEBATE. HOWEVER, I TAKE A DIFFERENT VIEW OF THIS. I DON’T THINK THAT SOME OF THE MISSTATEMENTS HE MADE OR OUTRAGEOUS COMMENTS, I DON’T THEY WEIGH AGAINST HIM AS MUCH AS THEY DO AS ON TWITTER. HE IS NOT ABOUT DEBATING, YOU KNOW, PARTICULAR DETAILS. HE IS THE CANDIDATE THAT IS MAKING A SYSTEMIC CRITIQUE. HE IS SAYING, SHE IS PART OF A SYSTEM THAT IS FAILING PEOPLE. THAT IS FAILING IN THE MIDDLE EAST. THAT HAS ALL THESE PROBLEMS. I AM AGAINST THIS SYSTEM. THE FIRST OPENING OF THE DEBATE, YOU SAW HIM GOING AFTER TRADE DEALS AND SAYING THEY ARE COSTING US JOBS, THE JOBS ARE LOSING US, YOU CAN FACT CHECK THAT AND SAY ACTUALLY THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IN OHIO IS, WITH THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. IF YOU DON’T HAVE A JOB, IF YOU FEEL THE ECONOMIC PROSPECTS ARE NOT GOOD, THEN YOU CAN RELATE TO THE SORT OF BIG SYSTEMIC CRITIQUE. THAT IS WHY I TAKE HIM SERIOUSLY. THAT IS WHY I THINK THE POLLS HAVE BEEN SO TIGHT IS WE HAD 8 YEARS OF A DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATION. PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR CHANGE. I DON’T THINK HILLARY CLINTON ARTICULATED WHAT CHANGE SHE REPRESENTS OR WHAT VISION SHE REPRESENTS. SHE TALKS ABOUT SPECIFIC POLICIES. HE IS GOOD AT GIVING THAT BROAD SWEEP. I THINK HE HAS ENORMOUS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT AND HE WILL BE MOCKED FOR ALL KINDS OF THINGS. THERE ARE MOMENTS WHERE SHE MANAGED TO LAUGH AT HIM. OVERALL, I DON’T THINK IT WAS MAYBE AS DISASTROUS AS IT FELT AT TIMES WHEN HE LOST HIS COOL AND WENT OVER THE TOP. HE WAS SAYING THINGS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE RELATE TO.>>Rosemary: LET ME TELL JERRY, I WOULDN’T MIND YOU CUEING UP THE ISIS CLIP IF YOU CAN DO THAT. THAT IS THE QUESTION, DID ANYONE GAIN ANY MORE VOTERS FROM WHAT HAPPENED TONIGHT? THEY PROBABLY DIDN’T LOSE ANY.>>THEY PROBABLY DID NOT LOSE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE VOTING TO ARE DONALD TRUMP. IT COMES DOWN TO THE 5-10% UNDECIDED. THE 10% WHO SAID THEY WILL VOTE FOR GARY JOHNSON, AND STEIN THE GREEN. THE PEOPLE MAYBE HAVE NOT SEEN TOO MUCH OF TRUMP BEYOND THE CLIPS. IF THEY HAVE BEEN WATCHING THE WHOLE DEBATE FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF, ARE THEY GOING TO MAKE THE CALCULATION THAT WE DON’T LIKE HILLARY CLINTON, WE CAN MAYBE LIVE WITH DONALD TRUMP. AM I GOING TO VOTE FOR GARY JOHNSON BECAUSE I DON’T LIKE THE TWO CANDIDATES. WILL THEY MAKE THE CALCULATION AND STILL SAY THAT DONALD TRUMP IS JUST AS BAD OR JUST AS GOOD AS HILLARY CLINTON. I AM NOT CERTAIN THAT WILL BE THE CASE. WE WILL NOT HAVE MUCH OF AN INDICATION THE IMPACT ON THE POLLS UNTIL NEXT WEEK.>>THERE ARE A LOT OF CLIPS WE PLAY ONE. IT SPEAKS TO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING WHEN TRUMP WAS TALKING ABOUT ISIS. IT SPEAKS TO HE IS SAYING SOMETHING BUT NOT REALLY SAYING ANYTHING. LET’S PLAY THAT CLIP.>>GO TO WEBSITE, SHE TELLS YOU HOW TO FIGHT ISIS. I DON’T THINK THE GENERAL WILL LIKE THAT TOO MUCH.>>Hillary Clinton: AT LEAST I HAVE A PLAN TO FIGHT ISIS.>>YOU ARE TELLING THE ENEMY EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO DO.>>Hillary Clinton: NO, WE ARE NOT.>>Donald Trump: YOU ARE TELLING THE ENEMY EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO DO. NO WONDER YOU HAVE BEEN FIGHTING ISIS YOUR ENTIRE ADULT LIFE.>>Hillary Clinton: GO TO THE FACT CHECKERS GET TO WORK.>>THAT RAISES A LOT OF POINTS, IT IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THE DYNAMIC THERE.>>THE ENTIRE PANEL IS AGREEING WHAT WE ARE SEEING HERE IS THE MANIFESTATION OF THE CAMPAIGN SO FAR. THIS IS THE CAMPAIGN THAT TRUMP HAS ROLLED OUT. AND THUS FAR, PEOPLE LIKE US SITTING IN THE POSITIONS HAVE SORT OF SCOFFED AND SAID, JEEPERS, IT WILL NOT WORK UNTIL OF COURSE IT DOES CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE EXACT TYPE OF VOTER POOLS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. AND I THINK THAT THAT’S THE NUMBER ONE CONCERN IS WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE PARTICULAR DEBATE. WHEN YOU DON’T HAVE A CLEAR HILLARY CLINTON WIN, WHEN REALLY HILLARY CLINTON WALKS AWAY FROM THE DEBATE NOT LOSING VOTERS BUT NOT REALLY GAINING AS MUCH AS SHE COULD HAVE OTHERWISE GAINED BY KNOCKING HIM DOWN PEGS. WE HAVE A DONALD TRUMP WHO IS STILL GAINING ON THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AS IT LOOKS TODAY FROM OUR VANTAGE POINT. AS ERIC SAID, PEOPLE IN OUR POSITION ARE NOT GREAT AT JUDGING THESE THINGS.>>IT COMES OUT OF THE MEDIA COVERAGE AGAIN THAT GOES TO HOW AND WHAT THE POWER OF DONALD TRUMP’S RHETORIC IS. THERE ARE ONLY 5 TO 10 SECOND BLOCKS YOU CAN FILL ON THE NIGHTLY NEWS. HE REPEATS THE QUESTIONS. THE SENTENCE STRUCTURE WAS POINTED TO AND HOW SIMPLE HE KEEPS HIS THING SO HIS MESSAGE CAN BE BETTER CONTROLLED THAN THE CLINTON MESSAGE WHICH IS MORE ARTICULATE. YOU NEED 30, 45 SECOND TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF WHAT SHE IS TRYING TO SAY.>>IF WE WERE SITTING COVERING ANY OTHER DEBATE AND A POLITICIAN IN THAT DEBATE SAID I DON’T PAY TAXES, AND I AM SMART. AND I DODGED. AND CAME UP WITH THAT CONVOLUTED STORY ABOUT BIRTHERS.>>OR THE 400 POUND HACKER SITTING ON THE BED.>>THAT IS APPARENTLY CHRIS CHRISTIE.>>Rosemary: HE SAID, I DON’T PAY TAXES BECAUSE I AM SMART. THEN HE SAID IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SQUANDERED. IT IS THE ANTIESTABLISHMENT THING. THAT IS WHY HE GETS AWAY WITH IT. I HAVE BEEN WATCHING THIS THINKING IF YOU ARE AN EDUCATED WEALTHIER VOTER IN THE SUBURBS WHO WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR ROMNEY, OR DID VOTE FOR ROMNEY, BUT COULDN’T QUITE GET ON THE TRUMP WAGON OR HAS BEEN WAITING TO SEE, DID HE SAY ANYTHING THAT PUT HIM NOW OVER THE LINE, UNACCEPTABLE. DID HE DO ANYTHING OUTRAGEOUS AND TALK ABOUT THE SIZE OF HIS GENITALIA. WE HAD A FEW OVER THE TOP MOMENTS, A FEW MISSTATEMENTS BY BOTH OF THEM. HE DIDN’T DO ANYTHING THAT WAS SO COMPLETELY OUTRAGEOUS. THE BACK AND FORTH ABOUT OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE WAS — >>HERE IS WHAT I THINK IT IS, THERE ARE SOME REPUBLICANS HE WENT AFTER. FOR SOME CONSERVATIVES, HE WENT AFTER CONSERVATISM LARGE TODAY. THERE ARE PEOPLE LIKE THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENCY WHO ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH HIM GOING AFTER NAFTA. THAT IS WHERE THEIR BREAD IS BUTTERED.>>IT IS FASCINATING. GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF THE DEBATE AND WHERE CLINTON WAS CLEVER AT THE BEGINNING, SHE TRIED TO ESTABLISH THE FRAME. SHE HAD TWO QUESTIONS. WHAT KIND OF COUNTRY DO YOU WANT, WHO CAN SHOULDER RESPONSIBILITY. THOUGH SHE WAS EXTREMELY DETAILED AS SHE OFTEN IS IN ANSWERING THAT, SHE STUCK MORE TO HER PARTICULAR NARRATIVE. I THINK. SHE WILL WANT TO TRY TO LEAVE THAT THERE. YOU SAW HER OFTEN TALKING ABOUT TRUMP TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS. TRYING TO LEAVE THAT IN PEOPLE’S MINDS. SHE WENT AFTER THE CENTRAL NARRATIVE OF TRUMP WHICH WAS ALSO SORT OF WISE WHICH IS I AM THIS GREAT BUSINESS GUY, I AM A BUSINESS GUY, YOU KNOW I GET STUFF DONE. SHE HAS TO KEEP COMING BACK AT THAT BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO LIKE TRUMP, I THINK, WANT TO BELIEVE THAT WHAT HE IS SELLING, THEY CAN BUY. IF THEY SUDDENLY DISCOVER WHAT HE HAS BEEN SELLING IS A WHOLE BAG OF GOODS AND HE IS JUST LIKE THE ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT PEOPLE OR LIKE THE ESTABLISHMENT PEOPLE, HE IS TRYING TO UNPACK, HE WILL HAVE TROUBLE.>>I THINK THE REAL CHALLENGE WAS THAT HE OPENED THE DOOR AND SHE JUST DIDN’T SHUT HIM DOWN. HE OPENED THE DOOR ON PERSONAL TAXES. SHE DID NOT SHUT HIM DOWN. WHEN YOU HAVE 90 MINUTES AND SHE PROVIDES ARTICULATE, CONSIDERED ANSWERS AND HE PROVIDES SOUND BITES, HE IS THE KING OF REALITY TV, AND THE DEBATES ARE LIKE REALITY TV. WHAT DO WE REMEMBER, WE REMEMBER THAT JOBS ARE LEAVING, WE REMEMBER SHE HAD 30 YEARS TO FIX IT AND SHE DIDN’T. SHE IS A TYPICAL POLITICIAN. SAYS STUFF BUT IT DOESN’T WORK. WE ARE GOING TO TAKE GUNS AWAY FROM BAD PEOPLE. HE KNOWS HOW TO CREATE, OUTRAGEOUS AND LUDICROUS AS HIS STATEMENTS ARE, HE KNOWS HOW TO CREATE MEMORABLE MOMENT. SHE DOESN’T GO FOR THE CLIP. SHE GOES FOR THE THOUGHTFUL RESPONSE.>>Rosemary: I HAVE 8 MINUTES. ERIC, TWO THINGS, EVERYONE AGREES HE HAS TO PICK UP MORE AFRICAN AMERICANS. HE TALKED ABOUT THE STOP AND FRISK. HE THINKS IT IS GOOD. I DON’T KNOW HOW YOU PICK UP AFRICAN AMERICANS WHEN YOU SAY STUFF LIKE THAT.>>HE WILL NOT, HE IS DOWN 80 POINTS. HE WILL NOT INCREASE BY TELLING THEM WHAT THE HELL DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE TO QUOTE DONALD TRUMP. ONE OF THE THINGS WE SHOULD ASK IS WHY DID HE MAKE GAINS OVER THE LAST MONTH OR SO. THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION. PRIMARILY WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON, ABOUT FOUNDATION, E-MAILS, HER HEALTH, A LOT ABOUT CLINTON, LESS ABOUT TRUMP WHO WAS BEING MORE RESERVED. HE WAS NOT MAKING THE KIND OF GAFFES WE SAW EARLIER ON IN THE CAMPAIGN. MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS A MOMENT WHERE WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON, OR WILL PEOPLE TALK MORE ABOUT THE WHOLE SEGMENT ON HIS TAX RETURNS, I THOUGHT WAS A STRONG SEGMENT AND THEN IF A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO ASK THEMSELVES, WHY IS TRUMP NOT WANTING TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND WHY DOES HE NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHEN HE WAS — THE DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICES. MAYBE THAT MOMENTUM HE WAS GAINING, SIMPLY BECAUSE PEOPLE FOCUS ON HILLARY CLINTON STARTS TO GO AWAY.>>Rosemary: LISA AND IAN.>>THAT’S RIGHT. ANOTHER AREA CLINTON HOPES TO TALK ABOUT IS HIS CLIMATE DENIAL. THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO AFTER YOUNG PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT RALLIED TOWARD HER. THE FACT HE SAID HE DIDN’T EVER SAY THAT CLIMATE CHANGE WAS A HOAX ORCHESTRATED BY CHINA. YOU CAN SEE IN THE TWITTER FEED. THERE WAS THE TWEET. THAT GIVES THE CABLE NETWORKS SOMETHING TO CHEW ON AND TALK ABOUT. WE WILL HEAR ABOUT THAT OVER AND OVER. THAT HELPS HER, NOT HIM. THE STOP AND FRISK, THAT HELPS HER BECAUSE SHE IS TRYING TO MOTIVATE AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTERS AND LATINO VOTERS. THAT HELPS HER. I WANT TO GO BACK TO ONE POINT ABOUT TRADE. I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT ALSO FOR CANADA. WE JUST DID A POLL WITH HARVARD UNIVERSITY LOOKING AT ATTITUDES ABOUT TRADE. IT WAS REMARKABLE, THE REVERSAL AMONG RANK AND FILE REPUBLICANS. THEY ARE NOW MUCH MORE CRITICAL AND OPPOSED TO TRADE AGREEMENTS THAN DEMOCRATS. THAT IS INTERESTING. AND A FLIP. THIS WHOLE CAMPAIGN AND THE TRUMP MOVEMENT, IT MAY NOT BE REFLECTED IN THE OPINIONS OF MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND SENATORS ON CAPITOL HILL, BUT IT IS REFLECTIVE OF WHERE THE GRASS ROOTS IS, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.>>WE LOOK AT THE FACTIONS, A LOT COMES DOWN TO CAN DONALD TRUMP GET THE PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR HIM. HILLARY CLINTON DID NOT GO AFTER WHAT IS REALLY INTERESTING TO ME. IVANA TRUMP. HE MAY NOT BE THE MOST CHRISTIAN OF REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES. HERE IS THE INTERESTING PART. HE CAME SO CLOSE TO BRINGING JENNIFER FLOWERS. WHAT INTERESTS ME IS WHAT DO THE NEXT DEBATES BRING. THIS IS WHERE WE — >>A GREAT START.>>THE GLOVES ALMOST CAME OFF, WILL THEY FULLY COME OFF, DO WE TURN OFF SEGMENTS OF VOTERS WHO HATED BILL CLINTON BALLS OF HIS ADULTEROUS WAYS WHO SEE DONALD TRUMP AS BEING A HYPOCRITE. THAT LEADS ME TO THE DEBATE ABOUT THE AUDIT. I THINK THINK POINTS TO THE ASTUTE ANALYSIS FROM DC WHICH THIS IS PART OF HIS ATTACK. HE HAS BEEN UNDER AUDIT FOR THE IRS FOR 15 YEARS. YOU HEARD HIM SAYING IT. OTHER PEOPLE ARE NOT UNDER THE SAME AUDIT. THEY ARE COMING AFTER ME. THE PEOPLE DO BELIEVE THAT. WHAT THEY DON’T BELIEVE IS WHY ARE YOU HURTING THE LITTLE GUYS. THE PEOPLE THAT CLINTON COULDN’T QUITE TEE THE ATTACK ON. THE ARCHITECT AND THE BEAUTY PAGEANT CONTESTANT. SHE DID NOT QUITE GET THERE. SHE IS MORE AUTHENTICITY. THE DONALD TRUMPESQUE AUTHENTICITY.>>HE IS REALLY GOOD AT THE EMOTIONAL POCKET BOOK STUFF. BACK ON THE AUDIT. IT IS NOT GENERALLY BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT IS AFTER YOU, YOU ARE COOKING THE BOOKS IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. THEY DON’T JUST DECIDE TO AUDIT YOU. IT IS NOT RANDOM. TRUMP TURNED IT TO THEY ARE OUT TO GET ME. I DON’T PAY TAXES. WHY THE HELL DO YOU THINK THEY ARE AUDITING YOU. THE OTHER THINGS HE DOES IS ESTABLISH COMMON ENEMIES IN SIMPLE TERMS. THE GREAT FACTORY DOWN THERE. YOU GUYS DON’T HAVE THEM IN OHIO, I NEED YOU PEOPLE IN PENNSYLVANIA. THE CHINESE, HE DOES IT IN A SIMPLE WAY WITH SUCH A SIMPLE PREVAILING LOGIC THAT THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE ANGRY AND ARE WANTING TO HAVE THEIR ANGER DIRECTED SOMEWHERE CAN HAVE IT MORE EASILY DIRECTED THERE THAN A 3 MINUTE DECONSTRUCTION OF HILLARY CLINTON — >>Rosemary: I HAVE 3 MINUTES. AMANDA AND ERIC.>>I REMEMBER SOMEONE SAYING WILL THIS BE A CULTURAL MOMENT, WHERE PEOPLE REMEMBER FOR YEARS IN THE FUTURE WHERE THEY WERE THE MOMENT THEY WATCHED THE DEBATE. IT WAS NONE OF THAT. I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF WE SAW THE POLLS SHIFT AND ERIC WOULD HAVE A PERSPECTIVE. THEIR HANDLERS. THE PEOPLE WILL HELP THEM LEARNED MORE. SHE NEEDS MORE FIRE AND HE NEEDS TO HOLD BACK.>>THE FACTOR THE MEDIA WILL PLAY, THE PEOPLE WILL GAUGE ALLOW THE DEBATE WENT HOW THE MEDIA FRAMES IT. IT IS GOING FAR FROM A U.S. PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. THERE WAS A QUEBEC ELECTION A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHERE PEOPLE WHO DIDN’T SEE A DEBATE THOUGHT THAT THE PERSON, THAT THE MEDIA SAID WON THE DEBATE, ACTUALLY WON THE DEBATE, THERE WERE POLLS THAT THE PERSON THEY HAD NOT SEEN, THEY THOUGHT HE WON THE DEBATE AND THE PARTY MADE GAINS IN THE POLLS. AS MUCH AS ALL THE AUDIENCE IS SUPPOSED TO BE — THOSE PEOPLE WHO DID NOT WATCH WILL WATCH THE NEWS TOMORROW. THEIR OPINIONS WILL BE FORMED HOW THE MEDIA WILL FRAME IT.>>Rosemary: I HAVE ONE MINUTE. DID ANYBODY WIN?>>NO.>>I THINK ON BALANCE CLINTON DID A BETTER JOB. SHE HAD HIM ON THE DEFENSIVE. SHE GAVE A GOOD, CLEAN SHORT ANSWER ON THE E-MAILS AND MOVED ON. SHE DID NOT GET BOGGED DOWN WHETHER IT WAS THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE OR THE TAX RETURNS. AS A DEBATER, SHE WAS SUPERIOR. WHETHER THAT MOVES THE POLLS, I DON’T KNOW. SHE WILL FEEL A NEW LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE, I THINK, GOING INTO THE NEXT ONE. I THINK TRUMP HANDLERS WILL POINT OUT WHERE HE NEEDS TO IMPROVE. I EXPECT AN IMPROVED DEBATER.>>A DRAW.>>Rosemary: WE GOT STAMINA WE PROVED. I DON’T KNOW ABOUT HILLARY. I COULDN’T HAVE A BETTER PANEL TO GUIDE US THROUGH THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WILL HAVE FULL ANALYSIS ON POWER AND POLITICS TOMORROW AT 5 P.M. EASTERN. STAY TUNED ON CBC NEWS NETWORK. PETER MANSBRIDGE IS COMING UP WITH MORE ON THE DEBATE ON “THE NATIONAL.” THANK YOU FOR WATCHING. ONE FOR THE AGES. WE WILL SEE YOU TOMORROW. (♪♪♪) (♪♪♪)>>Peter: GOOD EVENING, I’M PETER MANSBRIDGE AND THIS IS “THE NATIONAL.”>>Hillary Clinton: THEY SHOW THAT HE DIDN’T PAY ANY FEDERAL INCOME TAX.>>Donald Trump: THAT MAKES ME SMART.>>Peter: CLINTON VERSUS TRUMP IN A CRUCIAL WAR OF WORDS. IT COULD BE THE MOST WATCHED DEBATE IN HISTORY.>>>OPPOSITION GROWS TO A CORPORATE GIANT BUYING UP

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  1. I am not an American but I am asking all of ye to vote for Hilary because i believe that it would be better that she mess up your country then let Donald mess up and potentialy hurt people from all over the world

  2. This has to be the lowliest and most degrading campaign in the history of the USA.
    Sincere condolences must go toward the american people! Your country could have been the most respected nation, a flagship for civilization, peace and prosperity and a true worldwide leader. But you, the american people, have chosen to succumb to tyranny, to abandon your future and your country to criminal elements which seek nothing more but to ravage the world once more in the worst way possible in order so secure more of the most powerful drug in the world – power(mindless, cruel, inhuman, irresponsible, iron-fisted, century-old zionist dream of control over fellow man).

    When you only have to choose between two mad clowns which are only separated by physical appearance and controlled by the same people, you(and the rest of the world) will lose no matter what you choose. It's also a real possibility that the war in Europe which the USA has been fomenting for so long will start soon after one of these weirdos gets elected.

  3. The CBC had 2 reporters talking about the election yesterday and both said Trump was not prepared and respectful. This is when it becomes obvious that the CBC is a controlled news outlet like CNN. Aymen Gamer because Hillary Clinton is very respecful. Respecful of the law with the private email scandal, respectful of people privacy when criticising whistle blower Edward Snowden, respectful of people's lives when providing no assistance to the US ambassy in Benghazi, respectful of under-age girls when defending a pedophile rapist she knew was guilty, respectful of world peace when looking for any excuse to start a war against Russia and China, respectful of democracy when being sold as a puppet to the establishment and the banking system?

  4. why all the commentors making fun of Trump and spokesman was all the time cutting him ? I think people should remain on their own opinions about what they watched not what others say

  5. This is the most shameless, degrading and dishonoring campaign in the history of the US by far.
    It's more obvious than ever that the american people and the rest of the world will continue to suffer greatly. When you only have to choose between two mad clowns which serve the same zionist master, you know that your country stands for all the things opposite to freedom, responsibility and the truth.
    Mad clowns took over the world! Stop hoping for a better future, it's delusional! We need to start fighting the tyrants now, more than ever in the history of mankind!

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  7. I used to absolutely hate trump I still do, but now that Hillary will go to war with Russia which will possibly lead to another World War, now Im starting to think trump is not that bad.

  8. Hillary said she wants equal pay for woman yet she pays the women she employs less then the men .72 / 1.oo She should be leading by example and actually paying them equally now .

  9. after minute 40 trump blatantly acknowledged scamming small businesses :/ how the hell can you allow that to be a candidate not to mention president are all trump followers not sane? well not that the other candidates are any better though lol

  10. Took my car to a new mechanic. He said he never worked in a car, but he will try to see if he can fix it. I left and took it to my former mechanic. I knew he fixes it 80 percent of the times. Use this thinking when you vote. It only makes sense.

  11. As a UK citizen, I am glad that I would,nt have to choose one of these clowns, to rule our country,here in the UK,they wouldn't even be allowed in the House of Commons.

  12. The destiny of America is right in their hands a continuation of of Obama or a change to a better future I think Mr trump should be given a chance to prove he's indeed a successful business man by making American economy great again get out and vote

  13. The election displays what people dislike more:
    Vulgar, uneducated and arrogant?
    OR
    Manipulative, false, and conniving?

  14. Путин хуйло!у нас в городе Старица Тверской обл., Саитовы (Карла Маркса 83 кв 7) Парахины (Карла Маркса 83 кв 4),Козловы(Карла Маркса 83 кв 4),Баталовы(Карла Маркса 83 кв 10),Федоровы(родственник Парахиным–Карла Маркса 83 кв 4),Березины,Зыряновы(Карла Маркса 83 кв 6),а так же местная полиция и мэрия чистят городок от местного населения издеваются,ставят опыты новейшей военной аппаратурой,не щадят стариков,ни детей ни женщин!!!Так же приезжают Тверские депутаты которые мародёрствуют в городе Старица,А так же ФСБ занимается мародкрством!

  15. He was a mack truck and magnificent from the first second. God I'm glad I witnessed all of this. Thank you Donald. Thank you America.

  16. The bottom line is trump supports the exact same regulations as George w bush and if you think the first recession in 2008 was bad than wait till the next recession happens under trump,   Have fun americans.

  17. In October of 2016 I predicted that Hillary would win election but not be President. Americans ALWAYS vote for LEO when available. Trump, Bush and Bush Lite are Leo Rising. Obama and Bill Clinton are Leo Sun. Thats ends all arguments.

  18. THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS PLEASE LE SPEAKING TRAM UNSEAT BANS BRINGUNDER SUDAN THANK YOU I LOVE AMERICA

  19. They have a lot in common, same interests: serve corporations, fund the military, take more from working people, tax breaks for the richest, protect the central banks, transfer the peoples wealth to themselves and elite buddies pockets, lie continuously.
    How so many can trust either of these corporate crooks just shows how much power the mainstream press(billionaire class) has over the people.

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  21. CBS…..all the negative conjecture about trump and what voters must be thinking in your opinion and you were so very wrong

  22. HILLARY ROTTEN CLINTON IS A PUPPET ALWAYS LOOKING DOWN BETWEEN SENTENCES TO READ THE SCREEN THAT SHE MUST SAY TO SOUND INTELLIGENT …. TRUMP ALWAYS LOOKING STRAIGHT AHEAD SPEAKING OFF THE CUFF

  23. Trump is using the weaknesses of american people because americans are peopşe moved from other countries for a safier life and trump uses this fact very well to be elected. He says he will close the bodirders for muslims to make people feel safier. Kennedy thought you to be strong and use your potential. He told you not to be afraid work hard and get your freedom back from jewish families who own your central bank. He was a brave man who standed against those families and got killed. So answer are you going to wait for the jewish families be done with you and kick you out? Have you guys ever thought why they give you good easy lives? Because you are serving them now youmdont have your own central bank. Are they doing this free or are they going to take everything back they gave you? Instead of trump trying to make you afraid and benefit from this Kennedy tried to make you realize your true potential and he left you a great phrase which explains how exactly you should act "dont pray for easy lives pray to be stronger men"

  24. People When A Politician Pleads the 5th. The fifth ammendment says You have the right not to incriminate yourself so you pkead the 5th and will stay silent…. Guilty by Ommission is a Real Legal Word. There are elements to that Law. Look it up Democrats, think for yourself and stop listening to the Tv news lies. They are paid to lie now ….

  25. The Shootings of black men and children in schools happened under her watch and nothing was really Done about it!
    By the President then he only made it worse.

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